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To: srmanuel

“The problem with your point of view is that you along with many other MAGA supporters refuse to accept any other possible course of action to stop losing elections that should be won.”

Let’s go down memory lane to the election of George W. Bush with a GOP House and Senate. What did the American people get?

1). Open borders, relaxed immigration, and a pathway to citizenship were Bush policies. Congress passed a bill for a physical wall on the southern border. Bush wasted billions on a “virtual” wall that was a boondoggle to Boeing and was promptly shut down by Obama.
2). End of balanced budgets and doubling of the accumulated national debt.
3). War in Iraq and Afghanistan with no end game.
4). American job killing free trade agreements that gutted US manufacturing.
5). Passage of the Patriot Act, the greatest assault on the liberty of US citizens in the nation’s history. Effectively weaponized the CIA, FBI, and other federal government law enforcement agencies against the American people. Secret FISA courts.
6) John Roberts as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. Attempted to put Harriet Miers on the Supreme Court.
7). A 25 year extension of the voting rights act.
8). The era of earmarks in Congress. A $200 million bridge to nowhere in Alaska for example.
9). A pedophile, Dennis Hastert, as Speaker of the House.
10). Medicare prescription drug plan that enriched Big Pharma.
11). 2008 sub prime mortgage economic crisis and deep recession.

This is what voting for an “electable” non-MAGA Republican President and Congress gets you.


52 posted on 09/28/2023 7:05:52 AM PDT by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on )
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To: Soul of the South

You’re right, I ask you where I advocated for another Bush style candidate to win anything, I have not done anything close to that.

Advocating for the Republicans to change tactics and get smart, which both seem to be in short supply.

It makes no sense to me to keep repeating the same actions that have never been successful.

MAGA candidates can and should win elections, it’s appealing to the average working-class person.

The problem with the MAGA movement right now is how negative and angry it’s become and not open to anything other than strict adherence to a doctrine.

Is DeSantis a perfect MAGA candidate probably not, but he’s not worse than Gavin Newsom as Kari Lake has declared.

Glenn Youngkin is not a perfect MAGA candiate, but he won in Virginia which is tough, he did it primarily by adopting tough stances on public education and the elimination of the Woke Agenda in schools.

After 2024, regardless of what happens, Trump will be over as a politician, if he wins he can’t serve but 4 years, if he loses, it would be crazy to think he could run again in 2028.

We need people to grow the MAGA movement and move it forward into the future, it can’t be 100% centered on Trump because he will be gone soon.

None of this means accepting RINOs or candidates from the Bush wing the party, it does mean we can’t keep nominating fringe candiates like Herschel Walker and Dr.Oz.

I give you an example of what I’m talking about.

Montana is a usually a Red State, they have a Democratic Senator in John Tester.

He’s up for reelection in 2024, IMO, he should be toast and planning his post senatorial career.

Matt Rosendale is a very conservative congressman from Montana, he’s acting like he’s going to challenge Tester, the only problem is Rosendale ran against Tester in 2018 and lost, do we risk nominating him again or is there another candidate who can win, I’m not sure.

The same situation exists in Ohio and West Virginia, two red states with Democratic Senators who should be defeated.

It’ absolutely critical to nominate someone who can win, not somebody like Herschel Walker or Dr.Oz.


55 posted on 09/28/2023 7:33:35 AM PDT by srmanuel
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