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RUSSIAN Collapse Accelerates as Gas Sales Evaporate & Huge Discounts on Gas Given to China
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aiz3PtufGkM ^

Posted on 09/22/2023 4:17:15 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE

RUSSIAN Revenue from Natural Gas has EVAPORATED due to the Economic Sanctions. Russia is struggling to be able to replace the lost revenue as they do not have the Infrastructure to convert Natural Gas to LNG and it will take DECADES to negotiate and build new pipelines. In this video I look at the current situation for Russia & Europe and ask whether there is a risk that Europe could face Shortages in Winter 2023/4.

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To: USA-FRANCE
My answer: No excuse in the world can give any country the right to just take an annexe others peoples lands and territories, period. Confiscating others belongings and lands is called SOCIALISM. What Putin has done is a policy exclusively based on a socialist doctrine called “LEBENSRAUM”. Can you imagine if America had decided to do the same in Iraq or Afghanistan?? Just annexing those countries and saying: “It’s American land now !”, from now on exclusively the American flag will be allowed to wave all over Iraq and Afghanistan!”. Can you imagine the outcry that would have caused in the world??

So, you hate Israel right? You also hate the U.S. too, correct?

Should we give back the majority of the U.S.?

You are still an idiot.

81 posted on 09/23/2023 9:11:13 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: kabar

It seems again that you really are against anything that can be seen as holding back Russian empire-building, even Reagan’s major blow against its empire he delivered in Afghanistan doesn’t please you.


82 posted on 09/23/2023 10:09:52 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Robert DeLong

I see you are totally incapable to answer all the detailed arguments I just put forward.
When a man has nothing left than just utter an insulting word after having been proved blatantly wrong after a flow of detailed arguments... then I confidently know I won the debate! :)

Now on to your latest nonsensical comment:

I previously said:
No excuse in the world can give any country the right to just take an annexe others peoples lands and territories, period. Confiscating others belongings and lands is called SOCIALISM. What Putin has done is a policy exclusively based on a socialist doctrine called “LEBENSRAUM”. Can you imagine if America had decided to do the same in Iraq or Afghanistan?? Just annexing those countries and saying: “It’s American land now !”, from now on exclusively the American flag will be allowed to wave all over Iraq and Afghanistan!”. Can you imagine the outcry that would have caused in the world??

To that you responded:
So, you hate Israel right? You also hate the U.S. too, correct?

My answer:
Israel was ATTACKED by warmongering Arabs.
They managed to win the war and occupied some areas after that war. That’s it! The occupied territories will one day be given back, once Israel has the security guarantees it will not be attacked and invaded once again!

Ukraine has NEVER tried to invade Russia! Right?
So Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is a pure act of LEBENSRAUM policies. It’s a crime.

Then you said this:
Should we give back the majority of the U.S.?

My answer:
I’m talking about the modern era post world war II for God’s sake. I’m not talking about how countries were shaping up centuries ago. I’m not talking about when Napoleon momentarily held large parts of Europe either, or what happened between countries before Jesus Christ was born!

In this post WWII era no coutries are supposed to take others countries anymore. WWII ended that warmongering.
Only the Soviet-Union / Russia have maintained a hysterical warmongering agenda alive. Even to this very day !

Contrary to your woke defeatist attitude, and your childish insults against me, I will again say to you :

“The only thing needed for evil to succeed, is for good men to do nothing.”

You have decided to not denounce Russia’s criminal LEBENSRAUM policies, that makes you an approver of that policy.


83 posted on 09/23/2023 10:41:56 AM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: Owen

Was your 53 million rubles a typo? Would be like 530,000 dollars. Not a huge reserve, lol I have more than that

As to not having CB as the reason Soviet Union fell, in my opinion, is very simplistic. Lots of thing wer going on that caused the collapse

Just my 2 cents


84 posted on 09/23/2023 12:01:43 PM PDT by blitz128
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To: USA-FRANCE
My answer: I’m talking about the modern era post world war II for God’s sake. I’m not talking about how countries were shaping up centuries ago. I’m not talking about when Napoleon momentarily held large parts of Europe either, or what happened between countries before Jesus Christ was born!

Well, it just so happens that before that time in our country this was transpiring in Ukraine:

During the 14th and 15th centuries, present-day Ukrainian territories came under the rule of four external powers: the Golden Horde, the Crimean Khanate, the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland. The latter two would then merge into the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth following the Union of Krewo and Union of Lublin. Meanwhile, the Ottoman Empire emerged as a major regional power in and around the Black Sea, through protectorates like the Crimean Khanate, as well as directly-administered territory.

After a 1648 rebellion of the Cossacks against the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, Hetman Bohdan Khmelnytsky agreed to the Treaty of Pereyaslav in January 1654. The exact nature of the relationship established by this treaty between the Cossack Hetmanate and Russia remains a matter of scholarly controversy. The agreement precipitated the Russo-Polish War of 1654–67 and the failed Treaty of Hadiach, which would have formed a Polish–Lithuanian–Ruthenian Commonwealth. In consequence, by the Treaty of Perpetual Peace, signed in 1686, the eastern portion of Ukraine (east of the Dnieper River) was to come under Russian rule, 146,000 rubles were to be paid to Poland as compensation for the loss of right-bank Ukraine, and the parties agreed not to sign a separate treaty with the Ottoman Empire. The treaty was strongly opposed in Poland and was not ratified by the Polish–Lithuanian Sejm until 1710. The legal legitimacy of its ratification has been disputed. According to Jacek Staszewski, the treaty was not confirmed by a resolution of the Sejm until its 1764 session.

During the Great Northern War, Hetman Ivan Mazepa allied with Charles XII of Sweden in 1708. However, the Great Frost of 1709 greatly weakened the Swedish army. Following the Battle of Poltava later in 1709, there was a diminishment in Hetmanate power, culminating with the disestablishment of the Cossack Hetmanate in the 1760s and the destruction of the Zaporozhian Sich in the 1770s. Following the Partitions of Poland (1772–1795) and the Russian conquest of the Crimean Khanate, the Russian Empire and Habsburg Austria were in control of all the territories that constitute present-day Ukraine for over a hundred years. Ukrainian nationalism developed in the 19th century.

So, Russia's acquisition of Ukraine didn't occur in modern time either.

Russia was seized, just like the U.S. is being seized, by the same communist that created the USSR. I suspect the communist seizing the US have similar designs.

Now, when the USSR Russia could not stop Ukraine from leaving in 1991, claimed claimed land that had been Russian land. The land had been inhabited for generations by Russian speaking peoples who saw themselves as Ukrainians.

All was good, and Russia left them alone until 2014, when they got upset because the people had felt they were betrayed. They were betrayed alright, but not by Russia, it was by the EU. Yanukovych had every intention of signing both trade agreements, which was the best option for Ukraine.

When the EU found out what Yanukovych intended to do they told him unequivocally that if he signed Russian's trade agreement their trade agreement offer was off the table.

Yanukovych had agreed to calling an early election so that the people could elect a new president. But then violence broke out and several protestors were killed which quickly escalated into a coup d'état. That is when Putin decided to take back the Crimean that Khrushchev had given to Ukraine in 1954, in what I suspect was an offering for amends to the Holodomor famine that killed millions of Ukrainians in the 1932-1933 time period, even though the famine also affected Russia itself form the period of 1930-1933.

As a result of the coup d'état is when Putin decided to take it back The Crimea. For 8 long yeas Putin tried to get the international community involved in a peaceful resolution of the ongoing hostilities in eastern Ukraine. Not only were they not interested, they were intentionally lying as they schemed to expand the conflict to include ousting Putin.

So, your claim that Putin illegally invaded is BS. They threatened Russia with a coup d'état. Which is similar to what the Arabs did to Israel, but their intentions were to commit genocide.

This is what I mean though, you selectively choose what is legitimate, and what is aggression. There was definitely aggression aimed at Putin, & Russia. Putin was forced into acting.

But you are an idiot who really doesn't know or understand the entire story. Instead all you do is spew forth propaganda intended to sway the useful idiots, of which you number in that category.

If some country had the same intentions for the the US, we would have invaded with or without the UN's blessing. Putin also didn't have the influence over the UN, that the US has, so that was not a route available to Putin.

Perhaps now you understand why I can't address all of the ignorant details you put forth. There is no short answer.

85 posted on 09/23/2023 12:53:48 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: blitz128

Good catch. It’s 53 million million or trillion rubles.

The Fed’s balance sheet is currently about $8T.


86 posted on 09/23/2023 3:47:42 PM PDT by Owen (.)
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To: Robert DeLong

“As a result of the coup d’état is when Putin decided to take it back The Crimea. For 8 long yeas Putin tried to get the international community involved in a peaceful resolution of the ongoing hostilities in eastern Ukraine. Not only were they not interested, they were intentionally lying as they schemed to expand the conflict to include ousting Putin.”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

A lesson in history is not necessary. What counts is this:
The world and Russia itself have recognized Ukraine as an independent nation with full, irrevocable, and absolute sovereignty. Russia signed the recognition on August 28, 1991. Period. It’s THAT simple.

From that very moment, Ukraine can decide to do ANYTHING it wants within its own borders. They can decide to expel Russian puppets, join NATO, join the EU, become far right, far left, become pro China, anti-China, change religion, do revolutions, become a Republic or a kingdom, anything!!
That’s what it means to be independent. Wonderful right?
Russia has NO SAY in anything about the choices Ukraine makes according to the many examples I just cited.
Ukraine can do anything it wants that concerns its own nation. It’s called independence.

Even America made a revolution to finally earn its independence. Right?
Are you against Americas war of independence? I hope not.

So why the hell did Russia meddle in Ukraine’s sovereign business, by invading parts of it in 2014 and 2022!? It’s called blatant imperialism! Lebensraum!
Russia illegally invaded a sovereign country, even though it had signed Ukraines independence. As a result, hundreds of thousands innocent souls killed on both side. It’s warmongering on a demented demonic level.
Kremlin will pay for their crimes and all the deaths they have caused.
You seem fascinated by the word “idiot”. Well, The Kremlin war against Ukriane... THAT is idiocy!

I hope that there is sill 1% of common sense left in your body. If yes, then you’ll concur to what I just said. That Kremlins war against Ukraine is the most miscalculated, unnecessary and idiotic war since WWII.

Aug. 28, 1991 : Russia recognizes Ukrainian independence
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-russia-recognizes-ukrainian-independence-1991-20220224-uptvhapy7rh23lr73a4xreiime-story.html


87 posted on 09/23/2023 6:45:35 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: USA-FRANCE

What justifies the US involvement in the affairs of independent nations if those nations are sovereign and independent?

South Vietnam . 1963 assassination of Diem. Military occupation in 1960’s and early 1970’s

Panama 1989 invasion to overthrow the government

Guatemala 1954 CIA coup to overthrow the democratically elected government.

Grenada 1983 invasion to overthrow the government

Haiti. Invasion in 1915 and occupation for 2 decades. 1994 invasion to overthrow the government.

Honduras. US troops inserted in 1903, 1907, 1911, 1912, 1919, 1924 and 1925.

Dominican Republic 1916, 1963, 1965. Regime change.

Nicaragua. US Occupation from 1912 to 1933.

Mexico US invaded in 1846 to take what are now the southwestern states. Occupation of Veracruz, Mexico in 1914

Iraq (two invasions in the 1990’s and early 2000’s.

Afghanistan. Conquered militarily and occupied for 18 years.

Spain 1898. Declares War against Spain to make Cuba independent of Spain. Takes Puerto Rica, Guam, and the Philippines from Spain during the war and forces Spain to recognize Cuban independence.

Cuba. CIA backed invasion 1961. Also military occupations in 1898-1902, 1906-1909, and 1917-1923.

El Salvador. US intervention in the El Salvador Ccivil war of the 1980’s

Columbia 1885. Military intervention by US to secure a mandate to construct a canal across the isthmus of Panama.

Ukraine (VP Joe Biden demanding a prosecutor be fired

Libya (overthrow of government)

Iran. 1953 CIA coup to overthrow the government and install the Shah.

China. US Marines in 1900 Boxer Rebellion. A pure act of imperialism by the U.S. and European powers interfering in the internal affairs of a foreign country to protect business interests.

Syria 2014. US employed ground troops and air support to assist Syrian rebels in fighting the government of Syria. Ground forces are still in Syria.

Kosovo US military intervention began 1999. U.S. troops still deployed there.

Somalia. Since 2007 the US has been conducting air strikes in Somalia and has deployed troops in the country.

Yemen. Since 2000 the US military has been involved in operations in Yemen. Despite announcing a pullout of American military from Yemen in 2021, the U.S. admitted in 2022 troops are still deployed in Yemen.

Not to mention the numerous coups and attempted coups the US instigated, participated in and/or clandestinely funded since WWII.


88 posted on 09/23/2023 8:22:59 PM PDT by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on )
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To: ansel12

Russia is a country of 142 million people with an aging, declining population. The EU dwarfs it economically and demographically. Russia presents no conventional military threat to Europe. It is having a difficult time militarily in Ukraine.

The Soviet “Empire” collapsed in 1991. The Warsaw Pact countries are now part of NATO. The Soviets overextended themselves militarily. We are headed down the same path. Our interventionist foreign policy has weakened us. Endless wars have accomplished nothing.

You haven’t provided me with the requested specifics of your assertion that we provided extensive support to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war.


89 posted on 09/23/2023 11:41:53 PM PDT by kabar
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To: USA-FRANCE

and Putin is dying any day now,...


90 posted on 09/23/2023 11:47:42 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: USA-FRANCE

Can Cuba decide to station Russian missiles on its soil? Did the Monroe Doctrine give the US a say in the affairs of sovereign nations? Did NATO create the country of Kosovo over the protestations of Serbia?


91 posted on 09/23/2023 11:49:14 PM PDT by kabar
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To: USA-FRANCE

Sorry, you threaten a man and he has the right to protect himself.


92 posted on 09/24/2023 2:06:35 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Soul of the South

“What justifies the US involvement in the affairs of independent nations if those nations are sovereign and independent?
South Vietnam . 1963 assassination of Diem. Military occupation in 1960’s and early 1970’s
Panama 1989 invasion to overthrow the government
Guatemala 1954 CIA coup to overthrow the democratically elected government.
Grenada 1983 invasion to overthrow the government
etc...”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Your answer is non-sensical.
I have debunked it again and again here on Fr. I will do it once more!

In our modern times era, since WWII, the US ‘interventions you are talking about have never resulted in America just annexing a country!!
ZERO ANNEXATIONS.

Can you imagine the outcry in the world if Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam had been ANNEXED by America!? Imagine America saying : “Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam are officially American territories now - from now on the American flag will wave over all official buildings in those three areas”!

THAT my friend, is what Russia does!!
Its wat Russia has done against Ukraine. They have stolen Ukrainian territories and declared them RUSSIAN LAND, waving RUSSIAN FLAGS over previous official Ukrainian buildings..

It’s time you come back to reality.
Fantasies doesn’t lead to anything worthy or useful.

PS. Will you say that America was annexed by UK and Europeans right after Christopher Columbus five centuries ago?
It can be debated. Indians (native americans) were indeed there before us. However. America wasn’t a nation yet, when we “took over”. Just a vast place with some tribes dispatched here and there.
So technically it wasn’t a nation yet.

Also I’m talking about modern day era, after WWII. we can’t go back to what countries did to each others centuries ago, of what they did annex or not annex before Jesus Christ was born. All that was an era of Nation building for everyone, everywhere on the planet. It’s the beginning of humanity starting the process of shaping up countries.


93 posted on 09/24/2023 7:41:00 AM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: USA-FRANCE

Now we just put a puppet government in place.

Just as good as annexing.
Less expensive.

We still rule the country.


94 posted on 09/24/2023 7:48:36 AM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas, enjoy the decline)
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To: MarMema

No, we dont rule that country one bit.
Also, America didn’t rule over Western Europe after WWII just because we helped our allies defend themselves against extreme German socialism. Right?

The Soviet-Union-Russia though... TOOK over ALL Eastern countries by force, and THOSE countries were ruled directly by the Kremlin.


95 posted on 09/24/2023 7:56:55 AM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: USA-FRANCE

I am not going to argue with you.

I don’t care what you think and you are, imo, none too bright.

Posters who meld the Soviets with current day Russia are immediately calling themselves out as Russophobe and unable to keep up.

The facts are that we installed a puppet government in Ukraine and many many other countries.
Niger and many other countries are having a coup over puppet governments. We have done this, so has Russia, so has France
No matter what your limited reading has made you believe.

I have a piece I can post later.
I am off to the beach and fresh fish
On the straits.

You UKronazis are all the same...
Lacking in complexity and way too concrete and black and white.
Putin is no angel but the killing and persecution of
Non-ethnic Ukrainians is a fact. The rise of a neonazi government in Ukraine is a fact.

I haven’t always supported Russia but in this case
they saved the world AGAIN from nazis.


96 posted on 09/24/2023 8:08:37 AM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas, enjoy the decline)
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To: USA-FRANCE

People think there are but two sides to the issue of War in Ukraine. 1. Pro Ukraine—Ukraine must will the war and push out all Ruzzians. or 2. Pro- Russia. Putin must win the war and keep all she has gained in “New Russia”. I believe there is a third way Pro-peace, pro-human. End the killing. Putin will not live forever, nor will Zelensky or even Biden. Ukraine will exist one way or another. Issues can be solved at the peace table not the battlefield. No one needs be killed in this ego test, spitting contest.


97 posted on 09/24/2023 8:16:45 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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To: Robert DeLong

“Sorry, you threaten a man and he has the right to protect himself.”

>>>>>>>>>>>>

I think you meant to post that comment of yours to someone else?
Since I have never threatened anyone here, it wouldn’t cross my mind.

We are civilized people, not russian warmongers and killers.

You however like to insult people calling them idiots. That’s just childish and not productive in any way.


98 posted on 09/24/2023 8:18:23 AM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

I believe there is a third way Pro-peace, pro-human. End the killing. Putin will not live forever, nor will Zelensky or even Biden. Ukraine will exist one way or another. Issues can be solved at the peace table not the battlefield. No one needs be killed in this ego test, spitting contest.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I absolutely agree on your comments.
Peace through negotiations like Trump is suggesting, yes.
As long as “negotiation” doesn’t mean that Ukraine will have to give up a near 20% of it’s best and richest land-areas.
The future of Ukraine’s economic viability depends on those land areas.

The only thing that I see could be negotiated, is Ukraine not being part of NATO. However that would be a huge loss for Ukraine... Without NATO’s umbrella, Russia could very well decide to invade Ukraine once again in a few years. Once it has reinforced its Russian army and “repleted” it again...


99 posted on 09/24/2023 8:37:55 AM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: USA-FRANCE

China’s ‘CEO Whisperers’: Chinese Communist Party Takes Over Canada!

Gatestone Institute ^ | 9/23 | Robert Williams
Posted on 9/17/2023, 9:57:25 AM by spirited irish

“When I look... at the subtle but intense influence of China on Canadian institutions — parliaments, provincial governments, local governments, universities, the intellectual community, the policy community — it makes me deadly worried,” said Australian professor Clive Hamilton, author of Hidden Hand: Exposing How the Chinese Communist Party is Reshaping the World (co-authored by Mareike Ohlberg), speaking to Canada’s National Post in 2019. “I’ve met some very well-informed Canadians who aren’t sure Canada will be able to extricate itself from this situation.”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESoX5syUMAERp9K.jpg
(Excerpt) Read more at gatestoneinstitute.org ..


100 posted on 09/24/2023 8:44:43 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Those, who can make you believe in absurdities, can make you commit atrocities!!" ~ (Voltaire)!, )
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