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RUSSIAN Collapse Accelerates as Gas Sales Evaporate & Huge Discounts on Gas Given to China
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Posted on 09/22/2023 4:17:15 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE

RUSSIAN Revenue from Natural Gas has EVAPORATED due to the Economic Sanctions. Russia is struggling to be able to replace the lost revenue as they do not have the Infrastructure to convert Natural Gas to LNG and it will take DECADES to negotiate and build new pipelines. In this video I look at the current situation for Russia & Europe and ask whether there is a risk that Europe could face Shortages in Winter 2023/4.

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To: Robert DeLong; All

You want to chat about Ukrainian corruption?
Why not? Every country on the planet is corrupted.
But their are different degrees of corruption.
But why are YOU and all other Neo-soviet cheerleaders ignoring this :

Transparency International stated in 2022, “Corruption is endemic in Russia” and assigned it the lowest score of any European country in their Corruption Perceptions Index for 2021.

God luck with your deep-state corrupted friends in Moscow...


41 posted on 09/22/2023 6:50:12 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: USA-FRANCE

“Russia is struggling to be able to replace the lost revenue as they do not have the Infrastructure to convert Natural Gas to LNG and it will take DECADES to negotiate and build new pipelines. “

What a BS. There are 60 LNG plants under construction in Russia, including Europe’s biggest in Ust Luga.

I have no idea about lost revenue, but the Russian gas companies somehow manage to still pay a lot in dividend.

The volumes or gas sold are gown, true, but the incomes are likely steady, because they mostly sell LNG at market price worldwide, not pumping into Germany for penny on a dollar like they used to before.

I have no idea what pipelines are going to take long to negotiate. There is one China-bound NSII is plans and there is generally a departure towards the LNG sales and developing the Russian chemical industry to process the gas domestically.

For all the talks of Russia giving the gas away to China for free, the average price for the last year on the end of NSI was around $250 per tcm. I remember Germany getting for $40.

It is very likely that Russian gas is not returning to Europe even once the political obstacles are removed.

Except LNG, of course, but then they’d have to pay a good price to overbid other buyers.


42 posted on 09/22/2023 6:50:41 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: kabar; Sacajaweau; AndyJackson; BobL; ichabod1; JonPreston; Owen; Revel; wildcard_redneck; ...

National Dept and Cost of Wars ..

I have no problem with Americans and Europeans caring about not over-spending. It’s a normal human instinct.
Thus, not willing to help Ukraine defend itself purely based on cost reasons, I can understand, even though it hurts my Christian heart..

I strongly believe however we would be greatly rewarded after the war if we win it... I could write 10 pages on that later on.

Having said this, there is no logic for an estimated 10% of Freepers to proactively cheer for an apparatchik thug like Putin. He is corrupted to the bone, and has STOLEN all presidential elections in Russia, is invading its neighbors and annexing territories like the old Soviet-Union did; and is killing Russian citizens (soldiers) by the tens of thousands on the killing files of Ukraine.

Any opposition to Putin in Russia, is sent to rot in prison, being poisoned, or is being pushed out of a window from the +7th floor. Look what happened to Prighozin. Considered as a Russian war hero by the Russian people, well... Putin didn’t care, he killed him. No opposition, in any form is allowed to live.
If a Russian citizen says the word “WAR” in Russia, he will be arrested and spend 5 years in a Russian prison camp.

How can ANY American have sympathy for all that??

Those who criticize “Neocons” in America because of their warmongering are the very same people who pro-actively are supporting the warmongering Neocon-equivalence-crowd in Russia!! Crazy!!

It’s surreal and simply non-sensical.

Lastly:
We are ignoring the fact that Russia has the ambition to become a mighty Neo-Soviet-Union again. If they succeed, and thanks to their alliance with the world’s communists nations (lately North Korea) and the most Islamic nation of the planet (IRAN), our economy will suffer 10 times more than what we are spending now via the lend-lease program to Ukraine.

So now is the time to make Russia fail its hysterical warmongering, colonial ambitions and stopping it in the nick of time before it becomes a brand new “Neo Soviet-Union” again. Ukraine helps us doing it, even though they are paying a high price in blood doing so.

We should not miss this historic opportunity to weaken America’s traditional archenemy. The future well-being of America’s and Europe’s economies depend on it.


43 posted on 09/22/2023 7:55:48 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: Owen
The market price for natural gas in Europe is readily available. Right now it is trading at about 70% less than it was last year, and back to roughly the same price as it was in 2021.

Source

44 posted on 09/22/2023 8:24:25 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: USA-FRANCE
Having said this, there is no logic for an estimated 10% of Freepers to proactively cheer for an apparatchik thug like Putin

It is surprising since although many people opposed the Vietnam war only a few like Jane Fonda actively supported the other side. Seeing Freepers who claim to be Vietnam era veterans cheer for the guys who supplied the weapons and ammunition that killed their friends is hard to understand.

I can understand being opposed to spending money to support the Ukrainians, although I think that is a shortsighted strategy. I can't understand cheerleading for Putin.

45 posted on 09/22/2023 8:28:47 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Owen
The US has 12 and consumes over 1. Yes, that’s 12 years.

You might want to check your math. Existing US reserves of natural gas provide something closer to an 86 year supply.

Reserve

Usage

46 posted on 09/22/2023 8:38:09 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: USA-FRANCE
You are geostrategic and economic idiot. Here is your foolishness on public display.

While we in the West have all the oil we need, but its more expensive to what we were used to.

That is economic ignorance on steroids. You really want feeding inflation through the roof just so you can belittle Russia and Putin. It's the pocketbook of American citizens that you are robbing with your neocon war mongering.

47 posted on 09/22/2023 8:45:42 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: USA-FRANCE
I strongly believe however we would be greatly rewarded after the war if we win it... I could write 10 pages on that later on.

No you can't because the essay on why the US cannot win this war can be written in about 2 words. Consequently everything you write regarding that is just foolish.

48 posted on 09/22/2023 8:56:15 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: USA-FRANCE

The US is the world’s biggest debtor nation. We have already borrowed close to $200 billion to wage this proxy war. With a $33 trillion national debt, we can ill-afford to fund this war and when it is over, to send the bulk of the estimated trillion dollars to rebuild Ukraine.

We have added $2 trillion to the national debt this fiscal year ending September 23. Debt servicing costs alone are over $600 billion annually, approaching what we spend on defense.

Over the last 5 years, the US has added a total of $11.5 trillion in debt. At the same time, we are on track for $1 trillion in annual interest expense. Interest will soon be the US government’s biggest expense.

It gets worse. The Medicare Trust fund is exhausted in 2028 and the SSTF in 2034. Together they represent an unfunded liability of over $100 trillion. 40% of all Medicare costs come from the General Fund now. 10,000 baby boomers turn 65 every day until 2030.

We have no treaty obligation to defend Ukraine. Do you support putting American troops on the ground to prevent a Russian victory? If you do, we risk a nuclear confrontation that could devastate our country.

If you don’t support direct US military intervention, then you are a hypocrite who would sacrifice Ukrainian lives in an effort to weaken Russia. Proxy wars are immoral. We can end this war by forcing Ukraine to negotiate an end to a war they can’t win. This war has been ongoing since 2014.


49 posted on 09/22/2023 9:10:14 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

You were against Reagan supporting Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War?


50 posted on 09/22/2023 9:28:11 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: USA-FRANCE
But their are different degrees of corruption.

Ukraine was rated the 3rd most corrupt nation.

God luck with your deep-state corrupted friends in Moscow

Other than a few Russians I used to work with here in the states, I know no Russians whatsoever, especially those located in Russia.

But then that is how you roll, because you are a useful idiot.

I hold no nation above the U.S., and I am loyal to no nation other than the U.S.

I've been told that our family emigrated from France. I hold no feeling whatsoever for France even.

Your problem is that you can't accept the truth if it goes against your hard held beliefs. Beliefs, I might add, that are based upon lies & propaganda. That is why you are a useful idiot, because you do not seek out the truth, and you won't accept it either.

Instead, you chose to follow an evil man overseeing an evil regime that was obtained fraudulently via the most corrupt election this nation has ever seen.

I will tell you that I have far more respect for Putin than I do Biden, because Putin does have the best interest of the citizens of Russia, whereas Biden despises the majority of citizens in the country he ids responsible for.

That is yet another way in which you are a useful idiot.

Question is, are you really Linda Graham by any chance?

51 posted on 09/22/2023 9:33:38 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: freeandfreezing

“Having said this, there is no logic for an estimated 10% of Freepers to proactively cheer for an apparatchik thug like Putin”

“It is surprising since although many people opposed the Vietnam war only a few like Jane Fonda actively supported the other side. Seeing Freepers who claim to be Vietnam era veterans cheer for the guys who supplied the weapons and ammunition that killed their friends is hard to understand.”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Indeed. I estimate that close to 10% of Freepers have fallen into the Jane Fonda syndrome. Supporting our enemy who’s country has killed scores of Americans and American allies.

Actually, I think an American CANT do this!
Therefore, I am now wondering if those 10% of Kremlin adorers here are actually.... American or European citizens!?

Being against spending I can accept it. But supporting the warmongering-hysteria the Kremlin is doing, that is too crazy to even try to understand. It’s simply out of control madness.


52 posted on 09/22/2023 9:42:17 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: Robert DeLong

“Your problem is that you can’t accept the truth if it goes against your hard held beliefs. Beliefs, I might add, that are based upon lies & propaganda. That is why you are a useful idiot, because you do not seek out the truth, and you won’t accept it either.”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

So... I am the “useful idiot” for complaining about Russia’s illegal invasion of a sovereign nation?
Is it propaganda and lying form my part when I say that Moscow actually invaded and annexed large areas of Ukraine, in complete and utter violation of international agreements and conventions?

Has it become NORMALCY these days for a country to just gobble down its neighbors? No questions asked? We should ALL accept that and say nothing??

Do you really think that Ukraine has not been invaded by Russia? That all that Russia invasion thing is just an act of propaganda and vivid imagination from my part??


53 posted on 09/22/2023 9:51:59 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: USA-FRANCE

Your schtick is at least 25 years past its shelf date. The Forever War will either stop or America will fall.


54 posted on 09/22/2023 10:07:03 PM PDT by wildcard_redneck (The Forever War is a crime against humanity)
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To: freeandfreezing

The correct source, which contains bot reserves and consumption, country by country, is the World Statistical Report of Energy. The Bible of the industry for 70 yrs.

The EIA has always played wet gas games, which are not games and not offensive if they are consistent.

The correct units are trillion cubic meters, not feet.

US dry gas reserves consistent with how the world measures are 12.1 Tcm. Russia is 37. Iran about 34. Qatar . . . I’m on a tablet and the spreadsheet from the Bible is downstairs I don’t remember Qatar’s number. Turkmenistan is big. And I think another country or two above the US 12.1.

There is another tricky item. Consumption will also include export. So you can’t buy years unless you cut off customers.

The US is more or less dependent on shale now and gas wells notoriously die quickly.

In contrast, Russia has the Bazhenov shale, far larger than the actual sum of US shale fields . . . and Russia hasn’t even started fracking it yet. There has been no need.


55 posted on 09/22/2023 10:24:46 PM PDT by Owen (.)
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To: MarMema; USA-FRANCE

Fun Fact: Russia still supplies US nuclear utilities with 30% of their enriched, fabricated nuclear fuel, to this very day.

It was one item left off the sanctions list, and US utilities are requesting Fed.gov give a 5 year extension.

Isn’t it strange how this trade still continues?

I suspect its because Russia wants to show the rest of the world they will not turn their global nuclear business into a political weapon.


56 posted on 09/22/2023 10:28:25 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: ansel12

We didn’t support Iraq in that war except provide some intel. In Ukraine we are supporting the costs of the entire government including the military and government pensions. Are you equating Ukraine to Iraq?


57 posted on 09/22/2023 11:06:17 PM PDT by kabar
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To: USA-FRANCE

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and annexed Crimea. The US and Europe essentially did nothing except for some meaningless sanctions. This happened under the Obama/Biden Administration. Were you as outraged then as you are now?


58 posted on 09/22/2023 11:12:10 PM PDT by kabar
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To: USA-FRANCE

Well said, and if it hasn’t happened already let me get it out of the way, you are an anti Christian, anti conservative supporter of soros/Biden globull homo neocon world order…..lol

That is all they have so stay strong

Oh forgot because you support Ukraine against the justified return of glorious lands to the soviet er ah Russian empire you are against the Maui and east Palestine citizens and want the southern border overrun while weakening our military so China can roll…..

They really need to get a new playbook


59 posted on 09/23/2023 3:39:10 AM PDT by blitz128
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To: Owen

Dollars or joules, barrels or tons. The result is the same
Russia went from real surplus in terms of income to printing money and their expenses are rising rapidly, while their production capacity is decreasing

The UShas plenty of reserves and capability to increase production, the political will to do that is a real question, and we will see how that plays out

The point is Russia actually Putin didn’t need to do this, there was no threat to them from NATO, they were trading with the west and making lots of money, though as is with most fascist regimes most of it was concentrated with the few. There is a reason Putin is the richest man in the world

Putin gambled, thought his energy reserves and europes past dependence on it would cause them to cave and he could have his empire and power restored

After this is all over the reserves are still there and they will be used, who controls them will be the question

A dictator like Putin or a regime more willing to be a cooperative part of the world


60 posted on 09/23/2023 3:54:32 AM PDT by blitz128
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