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Planes Are Constantly Almost Hitting Each Other
Jalopnik ^ | 8/21 | Andy Kalmowitz

Posted on 08/21/2023 11:30:54 PM PDT by nickcarraway

The New York Times took a deep dive into FAA data on near-misses between planes. So, as it turns out, airplanes are nearly crashing mid-air far more regularly than anyone initially thought. After a slew of almost-crashes over the past few months, The New York Times decided to take a deep dive into the issue. In fact, there have been at least 46 close calls involving commercial airlines in the last month alone. These incidents have reportedly been highlighted in preliminary FAA safety reports, but they haven’t been publicly disclosed.

The outlet says that while there haven’t been any major U.S. plane crashes in over a decade, potentially dangerous incidents occur far more frequently than anyone has realized. Industry insiders say it’s a sign that the safety net is under “mounting stress.”

The Times says that so far this year, close calls involving commercial airlines have been happening — on average — multiple times per week, according to the outlet’s analysis of internal FAA records and thousands of pages of federal safety reports and interviews with over 50 current and former pilots, air traffic controllers and federal officials. For the most part, these incidents are reported happening near or at airports, and they are the result of human error. A big factor has been mistakes made by air traffic controllers, which are exacerbated by a nationwide shortage.

From The New York Times:

In addition to the F.A.A. records, The Times analyzed a database maintained by NASA that contains confidential safety reports filed by pilots, air traffic controllers and others in aviation. The analysis identified a similar phenomenon: In the most recent 12-month period for which data was available, there were about 300 accounts of near collisions involving commercial airlines.

The number of such near misses in the NASA database — which is based on voluntary submissions that are not independently corroborated — has more than doubled over the past decade, though it is unclear whether that reflects worsening safety conditions or simply increased reporting.

Aviation authorities have said that the U.S. air travel system — responsible for nearly three million passengers per day — is the safest in the world. However, current and former air traffic controllers have said in interviews that close calls were happening so often that they feared it was only a matter of time until some sort of catastrophic crash happened.

“Honestly, this stuff scares the crap out of me,” a longtime airline captain, who previously was a carrier fighter pilot, reported to NASA in November. An air traffic controller had cleared the pilot’s flight to land on what looked like “a collision course” with another passenger plane. (NASA redacts entries’ identifying details, such as the airlines and pilots’ names.)

“This has really opened my eyes to how the next aviation accident may play out,” another pilot wrote to NASA after a close call on a runway in January.

“Is it going to take people dying for something to move forward?” a controller wrote the same month after barely preventing a midair collision.

NYT says that the U.S. aviation network has long been safeguarded by an extensive network over overlapping technological and human safety nets. It’s commonly called the Swiss cheese model. Basically, if a problem slips through one hole in a layer, it will be caught by another.

Anyway, there is a lot more to this story than what I’ve laid out here. Be sure to head over to The New York Times for an even deeper dive into what’s causing these issues.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Travel; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: airlines; airports; airtrafficcontroller; aviation; closecalls; collisioncourse
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To: Secret Agent Man

For me, life is a God thing, “all my heart, mind body and soul”.


22 posted on 08/22/2023 4:05:27 AM PDT by exnavy (Grow your faith, and have the courage to use it.)
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To: nickcarraway

When you think about it major airports are designed to have lots of aircraft just miss each other on a systematic basis.


23 posted on 08/22/2023 4:11:16 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Neanderthal

Yeah, that was my first thought...more affirmative action hires.


24 posted on 08/22/2023 4:35:11 AM PDT by Lake Living
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To: jdt1138
Just listen to ATC for a couple of days and you will hear the diversity and inclusion.

Excuse me, you've mistaken me for someone who can
actually afford the price of an airline ticket
after having to pass through TSA
and getting served poorly in the terminal.

I've got enough diversity and inclusion already, if you don't mind.
/sarcasm

25 posted on 08/22/2023 4:45:10 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: jdt1138
And you don't even want me getting started about no luggage carousel...

26 posted on 08/22/2023 4:51:20 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: jdt1138
Hahahahahaha! I cannot stand John Cusack, but I enjoyed that movie!


27 posted on 08/22/2023 4:55:18 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: dr_lew2

Hubby has to medicate to fly, after hearing this he said not enough medication to get him in a plane!


28 posted on 08/22/2023 4:58:40 AM PDT by grame (May you know more of the love of God Almighty this day!)
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To: DouglasKC; nickcarraway

I was in a plane recently, just idly looking out my window, and I saw a jet airliner flash past just a few hundred yards away going in the opposite direction.

It was close enough to fill about a third of the window, which to me, seemed damned close. We were flying at altitude and cruising speed, and so was the other plane.

It gave me a start, and I sputtered and looked around, but nobody had seen it, or if they had, didn’t give it a second thought.

I researched it, and I guess that is standard procedure now. But it seemed a bit crazy to me, two planes with a closing speed of over a thousand miles per hour...at that speed, a little miscalculation, but...that is apparently what is done nowadays.


29 posted on 08/22/2023 5:02:04 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: jdt1138
after having to pass through TSA by the by...is Steve working this week? I need a good frisking...

/extreme sarcasm

30 posted on 08/22/2023 5:02:54 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: jdt1138

I know Billy Bob Thornton is a Lefty too, but...I just cannot find it in myself not to watch his movies.

I have no problem avoiding any movie with people like Robert DeNiro and not listening to music by the likes of Roger Waters, but...

I just find Thornton so entertaining...well. We all have something.


31 posted on 08/22/2023 5:10:51 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: nickcarraway

Isn’t this just the kind of thing that AI should excel in, with close monitoring by qualified humans? It’s like a large complicated game of 3-D chess, and AI should have the added advantage of being able to calculate when to avoid getting too close.


32 posted on 08/22/2023 5:14:01 AM PDT by Bernard ("No matter where you go, there you are." (Buckaroo Banzai))
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To: grame
Hubby has to medicate to fly...

Cool!

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33 posted on 08/22/2023 5:19:57 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Green/Blue Meanie

Green - Munchies

34 posted on 08/22/2023 5:21:40 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: dayglored

“Look, those planes nearly missed.”
“Yeah, but not quite.”


35 posted on 08/22/2023 5:25:28 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: nickcarraway

Affirmative action at ATC.


36 posted on 08/22/2023 5:29:26 AM PDT by KevinB (Word for the day: "kakistocracy" - a society governed by its least suitable or competent citizens)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Falling plane parts could always hit your house or wherever you are.

You also underscored the reason we don't have flying cars - as portrayed in the Jetsons cartoon of the 1960s.

We have the technology but do you really want drunken cousin Billy dropping empty beer cans into your backyard, or worse?

37 posted on 08/22/2023 5:32:20 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (5,301,904 Truth | 86,921,174 Twitter)
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To: nickcarraway

These close calls are caused by not enough “diversity” of pilots. Well, that and climate change.


38 posted on 08/22/2023 5:32:41 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: nickcarraway

When did it change to, “near miss” from, “near hit”?

Near miss doesn’t even sound right.

(Am I the only one that noticed that around a decade ago? It does sound like something a Brit would say...)


39 posted on 08/22/2023 5:52:49 AM PDT by Bikkuri (I am proud to be a PureBlood.)
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To: nickcarraway

I see Obama’s ATC hiring plan is paying dividends just as predicted.


40 posted on 08/22/2023 6:33:34 AM PDT by VTenigma (Conspiracy theory is the new "spoiler alert")
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