New audiobook release: An Historical Research Respecting the Opinions of the Founders of the Republic on Negroes

Librivox ^ | 8/4/23

[ProgressingAmerica]

If the contents of The 1619 Project are getting under your skin, here's a new audiobook for you.

Nothing else need be said, book speaks for itself.

An Historical Research Respecting the Opinions of the Founders of the Republic on Negroes as Slaves, as Citizens, and as Soldiers, by George Livermore

Book summary: Collects the speeches, writings, public statements and legislative acts of the Founding Fathers and Framers of the United States against slavery. (Summary by progressingamerica)

[ProgressingAmerica]

Full title:

New audiobook release: An Historical Research Respecting the Opinions of the Founders of the Republic on Negroes as Slaves, as Citizens, and as Soldiers, by George Livermore

Alternate text source:

https://www.loc.gov/item/23016220/

An historical research respecting the opinions of the founders of the republic on negroes as slaves, as citizens, and as soldiers. Read before the Massachusetts historcal soceity, August 14, 1862.

[ProgressingAmerica]

It will be a lot of fun using this one.

[Ken Regis]

PM

[ProgressingAmerica]

This work should be useful for you.

[RushIsMyTeddyBear]

“A historical”. I’m sorry that irks me.

[RoosterRedux]

bfl

[sauropod]

Bkmk

[Renfrew]

Thanks for sharing.

This book is a Republican countering the arguments of Democrat Jefferson Davis. Davis makes exactly the same arguments as modern Democrats: that the USA was founded as a slave state and was designed for white supremacy.

[jeffersondem]

“(Jefferson)Davis makes exactly the same arguments as modern Democrats: that the USA was founded as a slave state and was designed for white supremacy.”

Wasn’t it Jefferson Davis that made the following quote? Or, was it someone else?

“I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races — that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

[ProgressingAmerica]

Progressives do seem to always trust white nationalists on this bilge, don’t they? To whatever extend the latter group actually exists.

It’s an interesting observation, that trust between the two said-to-be-opposing camps. Let any white nationalist say the country is racist or founded on white supremacy and all the progressives rush to the microphones as fast as they can and say things like this: “He’s right! See, he knows! WE TRUST HIM! This claim is unassailable and the source is completely reliable!” Al Sharpton can’t get there fast enough to lay on an award for honesty and bravery.

The trust runs deep here in this very specific canal between those two camps.

[ebshumidors]

I’ll take Lincoln for $500.

[ProgressingAmerica]

sigh and back to the civil war we go. I see that one member of the pack showed up, that means the whole crew is almost certain to show up.

Ok, look, I've seen how these go. This roving pack that you guys have always pick on one thing, drive the whole discussion off topic and 300 posts later yet another discussion with the same 10 people on either side saying the same pre-packaged things with nothing new to add.

I'm trying to talk about the Founding Fathers and The 1619 Project/progressives, that's all. You guys will have plenty of time for your civil war re-enactments in other non-civil-war related discussions.

[DiogenesLamp]

I had every intention of skipping this thread. If it gets more interesting I might jump in, but so far... no.

[jeffersondem]

“This roving pack . . . with the same 10 people on either side saying the same pre-packaged things with nothing new to add.”

You should read posts by woodpusher.

He posts little known, but relevant, documentation that can change the opinions of people with open minds. There are others too.

But I will try and respect your desire to discuss the Founding Fathers and The 1619 Project (fabricated in 2019) in a vacuum, excluding everything in the intervening 240 years.

[ProgressingAmerica]

Am I seriously the only one who sees a book like this as an advantage in light of all the race baiting that is conducted these days by progressives against the founding of the country?

[little jeremiah]

I will share this on TwitX and Truth Social, thanks.

[rlmorel]

Not at all, I see it that way tool...I will download it and check it out!

[woodpusher]

I'm trying to talk about the Founding Fathers and The 1619 Project/progressives, that's all.

The first slaves in what became the American colonies arrived in 1526 in Florida, in a location near present day Sapelo Island, Georgia. This appears relevant but inconvenient for the 1619 project.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_V%C3%A1zquez_de_Ayll%C3%B3n

Lucas Vázquez de Ayllón[a] (c. 1480[1] – 18 October 1526) was a Spanish magistrate and explorer who in 1526 established the short-lived San Miguel de Gualdape colony, one of the first European attempts at a settlement in what is now the United States. Ayllón's account of the region inspired a number of later attempts by the Spanish and French governments to colonize the southeastern United States. ...

https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2019/08/29/before-1619-africans-and-the-early-history-of-spanish-colonial-florida-and-america-column/

Of course, it is worth noting that every 16th century Spanish expedition to Florida included Africans, both free and enslaved. The first recorded slaves to reach La Florida arrived in late September 1526 as part of the Lucas Vázquez de Ayllón expedition. Ayllón brought as many as 100 slaves to support a new Spanish settlement, which he named San Miguel de Gualdape (near present-day Sapelo Island, Ga.). The short-lived colony endured for less than two months; many of the slaves rebelled and by November 1526 the settlement was abandoned.

1526 was also the year of the first slave rebellion, which was a success.

[jeffersondem]

“Am I seriously the only one who sees a book like this as an advantage in light of all the race baiting that is conducted these days by progressives against the founding of the country?”

I listened to a couple of sound bites at random. I haven't yet heard what you are, apparently, hearing.

Can you cite two or three learnings from the book that you will use to persuade liberals to embrace the United States Constitution and/or love our country?