Posted on 07/29/2023 5:08:41 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
Retired Navy Cmdr. David Fravor was commander of an F/A-18F Super Hornet squadron aboard the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz on Nov. 14, 2004, when he piloted one of two Super Hornets that came across a Tic Tac-shaped aircraft. At the time, the Nimitz was about 100 miles southwest of San Diego.
The crew of the two Super Hornets was told that unidentified objects had been observed for over two weeks, during which they had rapidly descended from 80,000 feet to 20,000 feet, loitered for several hours, and then returned to extremely high altitudes, Fravor told a House Oversight subcommittee on Wednesday.
“For those who don’t realize, above 80,000 feet is space,” Fravor said during Wednesday’s hearing on “Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena,” or UAP, a recently coined term for unidentified objects in the air and underwater.
The Super Hornets’ pilots and weapon systems officers all saw a Tic Tac object moving abruptly above the ocean without any visible wings or propulsion system, Fravor said. As his plane got closer to the object, it quickly accelerated and disappeared. An air controller quickly told Fravor that the object had been detected 60 miles away less than a minute after the Super Hornets had lost contact with it.
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Assuming the Tic Tac was a physical object and not some sort of projection, no human pilot could survive the G-forces caused by how quickly it moved and maneuvered, retired Lt. Cmdr. Alex Dietrich, who piloted the other Super Hornet involved in the incident, told Task & Purpose on Thursday.
With the known technology that the United States and its adversaries possess, an aircraft can either be as fast as a jet or as maneuverable as a helicopter – Dietrich said after the hearing.
“You can’t go supersonic and turn on a dime,” said Dietrich, who currently teaches engineering at the University of Colorado, Boulder. “The flight control surfaces, the propulsion required, they’re incompatible in our current configurations, in our current technology, with the fuel we have, with the materials that we have. And so, what we saw that day was something that was hovering like a helicopter and then intravenously accelerating, turning on a dime, not requiring the full turning radius that we require in our strike fighters or advanced jets. That’s why it was so confusing to us in the moment and seemed to defy what we know and expect to be laws of physics and limitations of capabilities.”
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Had not thought of it that way, you could be absolutely right.
Granted all this could be a wild untrue hoax.
If the USA has captured alien craft and alien life forms of some type, could the greatest minds in the world today actually reverse engineer technology they can’t even conceive of.
Think back to 1776 and the founding of the country, less than 300 years ago, if you built a nuclear reactor, landed a sophisticated jet fighter or rocket capable of venturing into space, or just a simple lap top computer, how long would it take the greatest minds of 1776 to reverse engineer that technology, we view as ordinary today.
Got ya ... Apollo 13 reference.
Who has provided the size information? Where do I find the commenter?
No, laws of nature are what they are, not in any way influenced by what people say they are.
Science certainly leads to discovery. But it does run up against truth at some point, like it or not. Actually finding that truth is the purpose of science, not ever expanding into fantasy.
Exactly, we may be in the same position as a cat chasing a laser light on the wall. (But then I am still on my first cup of coffee.)
Can you show an example of that? I don't think that is possible.
“it does run up against truth at some point”
History shows that the “truth” keeps changing.
It is human arrogance to think we have even begun to understand the secrets of the universe.
This party is just getting started.
In the 1800’s they did not yet understand the laws of physics that govern powered flight. These arguments that changes between then and now prove we can defy physics in the future are silly.
Cmdr David Fravor, who was a witness in the hearings on Wednesday, described them as 30’ IIRC. It might be in the testimony.
It’s also ignorance and arrogance to think the physics we can prove through science will suddenly change. It could, by an act of God only.
I think there are people who want to investigate this and the government is acting like the 15th century church—blocking access and telling those people “nothing to see here” and “national security “ concerns.
If it was really “nothing” the government would freely provide the data.
I am not suggesting it is one thing or the other. I don’t know what they are. I am merely commenting on reactions to folks trying to figure it all out.
I listened to most of the hearing. The “I can talk about that in the SCIF” comments were infuriating. Clearly, something is going on.
“In the 1800’s they did not yet understand the laws of physics that govern powered flight”
Today we do not understand many of laws of physics—because we do not even know about them yet.
Arrogance is called a sin for a reason.
I can understand why the government would not provide the data freely if it exposed vulnerabilities in defense systems that could be exploited. That type of knowledge is and should be close held.
Wow, you really are emotional about this.
This (technology) has not been available to us for the last 70 years. Or ever.
We have about as much chance of understanding and using the suggested technology of the purported aliens as my dog has of fixing and operating my car.
I suppose that is the horrible truth that no government wants to admit. Yes, that probably would discredit a large number of our fearless leaders.
As the song claims, "we'll make great pets".
Those same books of the 1800s would lead one to believe that computers, cell phones, and F-35s were just fantasy. Our heavy duty physics is merely 150 years old. It is easily possible that there are things about physics we don't know yet.
What you are doing is taking what you know and using it as a reason for not believing those objects are here or exotic. But they clearly are here and they are exotic. Prudent people would be trying to find the flaw in our understanding of physics rather than telling so many people that they are seeing things.
As someone with a degree in a hard science I respectfully disagree with your assumption. One of the major tenets of scientific knowledge taught to me back before science became a political tool was, “Never say never and never say always.” Science is never settled. Research is always ongoing. Theories may be proven with present day technology, but that doesn’t mean new ideas and theories can’t be proffered and ultimately proven to be true. Your comments are eerily close to those used by climate nazi who tell us the science is settled.
That occurs when a radar ping hits a spoofing transponder. So, an actual object was still involved.
I have been called every name in the book—but nobody who knows me has ever accused me of being emotional.
I support real science not straightjacket science.
This is a book that explains how real science works:
https://www.amazon.com/Structure-Scientific-Revolutions-Thomas-Kuhn/dp/0226458083
If you prefer a video Rupert Sheldrake rips apart current scientific paradigms and explains how real science works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKHUaNAxsTg
Prudent people also would look to see if there is flaw in the observation. That is usually where these things get resolved.
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