Posted on 07/26/2023 3:57:32 AM PDT by Phoenix8
Russia captured Novojehorivka, Serhiivka & Nadiya - Svatove Front Analysis.
Russian assault on the right flank of the Karmazynivka salient managed to break the Ukrainian lines entirely, resulting in the capture of Nadiya and Serhiivka.
Pro-Ukrainian source, DeepStateUA reported the Russian advance to be at least 5km deep into Ukrainian controlled territory, merely 2km away from the major communications artery between Pershotravneve and Proletarske.
Russian forces also braced the Ukrainian counterattacks to capture Novojehorivka with rumors from pro-Russian sources talking about Ukrainian forces abandoning Tverdokhlibove, the village immediate west of Novojehorivka.
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It shows the Ukrainian offensive to be a total failure. Not only have they not even reached the MLR, the Russians are successfully counter-counter attacking.
BTW some awful videos are out there now of horrific Ukr losses (men being shot dead and recorded on their own go pros in their trenches) and I’m sure the Russ are suffering much death/maiming as well.
I pray for peace and soon.
I think it is mocking to say that you are praying for peace, you are not praying for Russia to stop its invasion and to quit making war on their neighbors, you are merely hoping for their conquests to succeed.
It is interesting that this thread has been up for about two hours, with precious few comments to this moment. I suspect fatigue at the subject is taking hold.
As to "hoping for their conquests to succeed," it seems quite clear that some hope in one direction and some hope in another, "conquest" being the operative word here. Toppling the Z government or toppling the P government comes down to some sort of "conquest," so the unsolvable "war" between views on FR is essentially moot.
I herein confess to not spending the time to listen to YouTube daily testimony, because the war between these non-NATO neighboring nations will be resolved as tomorrow's tomorrow will show it to be. How ever it will be. It's funny to think that YouTube is the platform for both sides in the war's conduct.
DPA's about says it's gotten 19,284,857 views, and, as counterpoint, Davydov's says it's gotten 334,253,323 views views. Either one winning? Maybe in terms of YouTube monetization and funding for video makers, but on the battlefield? Nada. Zip. Zilch.
I just want it over. As it’s apparent Ukr can’t win then yes speedy Russ conquest would be best.
That is opposed to Ukraine being bled white then losing anyway.
Of course as I’ve said from day 1 my hope is that they can reach a diplomatic solution.
So that post describes what you are praying for, Russian success, whether they are held to partial conquest or get the whole tamale.
Well I mean if you insist on ignoring the rest of what i said..I guess it’s a yes.
Let me ask a question to you then. so far 350,000 Ukr men have been killed, wounded or captured. Are there any number of dead Ukr that would be worth losing say it’s eastern 1/6 land , who have many Russian speakers wanting independence anyway. 1 million..5 million?
You surely don’t hold its worth the genocide of all Ukr people before they step back one inch sort of thought. Do you?
(Ukr population of 41 million pre war losing 500 thousand would be like the USA losing 4.3 million…that would be more dead, wounded and captured than all the wars and conflicts ever in the USAs almost 250 year history..Civil war, WW1, Vietnam…all. )
“...it’s eastern 1/6 land , who have many Russian speakers wanting independence anyway...”
Most of those Russian speakers are patriotic Ukrainians and many are fighting the Russians. Those that have been conscripted by the Russians and their fake separatists have been mutilated by the Russians because they run away rather than fight their brother Ukrainians.
Freedom-loving peoples take the VICTORY OF DEATH motto very seriously.
Our revolutionary soldiers faced long odds and horrendous casualties as a percent of the population. Most of the important cities and towns were occupied by the Brits for much of the war and yet the Spirit of ‘76 prevailed.
Not going to say I’ve been there. Can’t agree or disagree with this personally:
“ Most of those Russian speakers are patriotic Ukrainians and many are fighting the Russians. Those that have been conscripted by the Russians and their fake separatists have been mutilated by the Russians because they run away rather than fight their brother Ukrainians.”
That’s not what people I’ve been watching have been saying.
Nor is what this article by Aljazeera says. It says many Russians were moved to eastern Ukraine by the Soviets and they have just lived there but have wanted to go back to a Russian control. It says 14,000 of them have died fighting for their independence.
So why is it that only Ukr who speak Ukr are allowed to choose their right of freedom but Russian speaking Ukr people are not allowed to have their own right of self determination?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/21/donetsk-and-lugansk-heres-what-we-know-about-rebel-regions
This next article says “ Over the course of eight years, Ukrainian government forces fought Russian-backed separatists for control over much of the two heavily industrialised regions of Donetsk and Luhansk” goes on that Ukrainian forces killed 14,000 Russian backed separatists from 2014-2022.
The article also shows a map of Ukranian Russian speaking civilians who were killed between 2014-2022. Many were killed by Ukrainian armed forces shelling cites indiscriminately occupied with separatists. I’m sure many civilians were also probably killed by Russian forces artillery as well.
Yet from what I can tell it’s not a simple matter as many of the pro-Ukr freepers here want everyone else to think it was:
100% unified and peaceful Ukraine was for no reason attacked by Putin on his first step to conqueror the world.
That scenario just doesn’t hold water upon close inspection.
Or perhaps the 14000 are total killed from all sides military and civilian.
I’m unsure about that.
The fake separatist movement was started by Russian agents with Mafia tactics including threats, bribes, select disappearances, propaganda, and finally troops.
Earlier, soccer games in the Donbas were a “sea of Ukrainian flags” according to my wife from Alchevsk who was quite the soccer fan in those days. She has friends fighting to liberate their hometown.
Even some of the weak-minded who were in favor of the “People’s Republic” do not feel that way now that they put up with the occupiers including Chechens and Buryats.
I leave it up to the Ukrainians to decide how much they are willing to sacrifice to prevent being ended by Russia or even to settle for having their wealth, people, and geography taken and being left with a vastly diminished future on the remnants Russia allows them, at least until Russia wants those remnants as well.
But then I don’t support Russia’s rebuilding empire.
good video.thanks. it’s nice to have an honest neutral source occasionally. too bad the neocons try to disrupt things
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