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Rimrock Draw Rockshelter in southeastern Oregon, where the 18,000-year-old teeth and tools were unearthed.
Image credit: Greg Shine/BLM; (CC BY 2.0)
Image credit: Greg Shine/BLM; (CC BY 2.0)

1 posted on 07/16/2023 7:02:56 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

From their actions the last couple of years in Portland, I’d say they regressed.


2 posted on 07/16/2023 7:07:58 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (Annie Savoy : The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self awareness. )
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To: SunkenCiv

I’ve filled about that many sandbags myself.


3 posted on 07/16/2023 7:10:21 AM PDT by ComputerGuy (Heavily-medicated for your protection)
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To: SunkenCiv
Wish they'd have included pics of the "orange agate scrapers".

All we find are rhyolite. d:^)

4 posted on 07/16/2023 7:10:22 AM PDT by CopperTop (Outside the wire it's just us chickens. Dig?)
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To: SunkenCiv

Camel teeth? In North America 15,000 years ago?

Were there any native camels in North America at the time?


6 posted on 07/16/2023 7:16:40 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (I don’t like to think before I say something...I want to be just as surprised as everyone else.)
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To: SunkenCiv

They still vote.


8 posted on 07/16/2023 7:19:01 AM PDT by bwest
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To: SunkenCiv
Here it is only 7:20 am and my learning for the day is successfully completed. I never expected it to be about orange agate scrapers and camels. The current thinking is that camels originated in North America and used the Bering Land Bridge to migrate westward until they wound up in Arabia.
THE SURPRISING HISTORY OF CAMELS IN NORTH AMERICA

By Anna Harnes
February 4, 2023
From the "Grunge" website.

Though the idea of camels generally conjures scenes from Arabian caravans or an oasis in the desert, camels once roamed across the Americas, just as they do in Africa and Asia. While there aren't any more of these majestic creatures in the wilds of North America today, they have a fascinating history on the continent.

Many natural historians believe that camels actually originated in North America. According to Interesting Engineering, it is currently believed that camels roamed North America an eye-watering 40 million to 50 million years ago. That means that camels were around for as much as 48 million years before the first human ever existed (per History).

Those same scientists have estimated that it wasn't until 3 million years ago that camels made their way across the Bering Strait via the land bridge that once connected Alaska to Russia. It was this migration that brought camels to Asia and Northern Africa, the two places perhaps most associated with the majestic animals today. 

What is even more extraordinary is that recent discoveries have suggested that camels weren't just relegated to one area of North America — they spread all over vastly different terrains. For example, construction workers building a freeway in San Diego unearthed camel fossils in 2020, per The San Diego Union-Tribune. The fossils have since been dated to be around 15 million years old and suggest that the animals once happily lived in the area now claimed by the popular California city.

Camel fossils have also been found in what is almost the total opposite terrain from San Diego. In 2006, archaeologists found a camel skeleton on Canada's Ellesmere Island, located in the northernmost part of Canada and neighboring Greenland. As part of the arctic archipelago ring, the geography of Ellesmere Island can be described as snowy and mountainous with a jagged coastline. Many refer to the terrain on the island as the "horizontal Himalayas," according to The New World Encyclopedia. That said, the fossils showed that the camel was a whopping nine feet tall, so it remains unknown exactly how this species had adapted to survive in the vastly different land type.

Sadly, exact details surrounding the specific biology of the North American camel remain somewhat a mystery, as the animals died out around 11,000 years ago. This corresponds to when humans first made their way to the Americas, suggesting that perhaps they were hunted into extinction, not unlike the fate that almost befell the American bison in the late 19th century. Experts have estimated that around one-eighth of some early Native American diets consisted of camel meat, according to Smithsonian Magazine.

That said, some scientists have suggested that the mammals died out less because of human overkill, but because of geological changes that occurred when the planet adjusted from a glacial climate to an interglacial one, per The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Whatever the reason, the camel was not able to survive.

However, that doesn't mean that remnants of the camel and its history haven't made their mark on the Americas. According to National Geographic, llamas, alpacas, guanacos, and vicuñas of South America were all descended from the camel. Moreover, camels were to have a small resurgence in North America later in history — but for a different reason entirely.


12 posted on 07/16/2023 7:25:49 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (I don’t like to think before I say something...I want to be just as surprised as everyone else.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Camel teeth in Oregon? I didn’t know AOC relatives came from that area?


16 posted on 07/16/2023 7:29:06 AM PDT by eeriegeno (Checks and balances??? What checks and balances?)
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To: SunkenCiv; Rennes Templar
In 2012, O’Grady’s team found camel teeth fragments under a layer of volcanic ash..

He thinks that maybe next year he'll be guessing people's weight, or barking for the Yak woman.

21 posted on 07/16/2023 7:36:13 AM PDT by Ezekiel (🆘️ "Come fly with US". Ingenuity -- because the Son of David begins with Mars ♂️, aka every man)
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To: SunkenCiv

Stolen land! Give it back!


22 posted on 07/16/2023 7:42:42 AM PDT by beethovenfan (The REAL Great Reset will be when Jesus returns. )
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To: SunkenCiv
One of my favorite prog songs, "Nimrodel" (Camel's homage to Gandalf)


24 posted on 07/16/2023 7:56:05 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Those aren’t camel bones.

They are kangaroo bones.

Ancient Americans had domesticated kangaroos.

They used them to hunt grouse.


25 posted on 07/16/2023 8:02:05 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer” )
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To: SunkenCiv

They need reparations from who took their land!!


27 posted on 07/16/2023 8:16:43 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: SunkenCiv

Not too many humans left in Oregon...mostly democrats.


37 posted on 07/16/2023 9:11:40 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: ten18; Twotone; VeryFRank; Clinging Bitterly; Rio; aimhigh; Hieronymus; bray; 1malumprohibitum; ...
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44 posted on 07/16/2023 12:17:41 PM PDT by Twotone
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To: SunkenCiv

Just wondering, did they do any rioting or looting? If not, they were more civilized than Oregon’s liberals.


45 posted on 07/16/2023 12:19:29 PM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (Guns don't kill people, LIBERALS DO!! Support the Second Amendment...)
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To: SunkenCiv

Did their new find look anything like Kennewick man?


46 posted on 07/16/2023 3:49:33 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob
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To: SunkenCiv

The crap on the streets was the dead giveaway...


47 posted on 07/16/2023 4:39:53 PM PDT by Adder (ALL Democrats are the enemy. NO QUARTER!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

#1 One day archaeologists will dig there and discover an outline of what appears to be a sandbags.
They will A) think it a religious site and B) think it was built to defend the inhabitants against their enemies.


48 posted on 07/16/2023 10:31:56 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: SunkenCiv

I took archaeology as an elective for my Associates Degree in Oregon. The Professor was a very entertaining guy and was very blunt in talking about the reality of archaeology in Oregon. He stated point blank that, “there is no way of knowing when humans first inhabited North America, because all of their first settlements are under the ocean. During the ice ages they followed the coastline. That’s all well under the ocean now. During that class I think I remember the oldest artifact in Oregon was a woven grass sandal from 14,000 years ago near Fort Rock. The class was from nearly 30 years ago so excuse my memory if I got that wrong.


49 posted on 07/17/2023 6:18:49 PM PDT by Tailback
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