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To: Responsibility2nd

Wrong! The Wong Kim Ark (1898) decision did NOT say he was a “natural born Citizen”. It only decided he was a Citizen. Saying otherwise is disinformation or a case of someone not bothering to reading the holding and decision of the case. See Section 4 at this site for more details on several SCOTUS case regarding “natural born Citizen” as compared to basic “Citizen” of the United States: http://www.art2superpac.com/issues.html


33 posted on 07/14/2023 1:07:49 PM PDT by CDR Kerchner (natural born Citizen, natural law, Emer de Vattel, naturels, presidential, eligibility, kamalaharris)
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To: CDR Kerchner

Wrong! The Wong Kim Ark (1898) decision did NOT say he was a “natural born Citizen”. It only decided he was a Citizen.

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Correct. Because the term “natural born Citizen” is vague, poorly defined and not even the framers correctly understood the meaning. Hence the 14th Amendment. Hence the Wong Kim Ark decision settling on “citizen”. Hence etc.

You people need to give it up. Yes we know you hate Obama, Kamala, Niki, this Dr. Whoever....

But to try and label them as unqualified non NBC citizens is just laughable.


42 posted on 07/14/2023 1:21:54 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: CDR Kerchner

The intent of the NBC clause was to ensure that existing citizens were not going to shift their loyalty back to a monarch; or to allow royals to run for President.

The 14th amendment settled the discussion of who was a citizen—anyone born in the US.

This has been settled for a long time. I don’t recall hearing this garbage during Dukakis’ run in ‘88.


53 posted on 07/14/2023 1:57:35 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: CDR Kerchner; Responsibility2nd

You are wrong.

The discussion by Justice Gray in Wong Kim Ark about the meaning of the term “natural born” and his discussion of the derivation of the term “natural born citizen” is at the least “judicial dictum”. This is different from the “orbiter dictum” found in Minor v Happersett. In Kaye v Hughes Luce, LLP (2007) the District Court for the Northern District of Texas described judicial dictum as “an opinion by a court on a question that is directly involved, briefed, and argued by counsel, and even passed on by the court, but that is not essential to the decision.”

The U.S. Government argued in their appellant brief that the district court erred in ruling Wong Kim Ark a “natural born citizen” and further argued that it was inappropriate for a child born in the U.S. to alien Chinese parents to be eligible to the presidency. But it was not essential to the decision that Justice Gray rule Wong eligible to be president or use the term “natural born”.

Compare that to the “orbiter dictum” in Minor v Happersett where all parties agreed that Minor was a citizen and it did not matter to the case whether she was natural born or naturalized.


87 posted on 07/18/2023 6:39:54 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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