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Top Dems break with Biden over sending cluster bombs to Ukraine
Politico ^ | 7/07/23 | Joe Gould, Lara Seligman

Posted on 07/08/2023 4:53:20 AM PDT by Libloather

Key Democratic lawmakers are breaking with President Joe Biden over the controversial decision to send cluster bombs to Ukraine, arguing that providing the weapons, which are banned by more than 120 countries, cedes the moral high ground and will end up indiscriminately killing civilians.

Top Democrats on the House Rules Committee and the panels that fund the Pentagon and State Department lashed out in rare public statements broadcasting their break with their party’s president.

“The decision by the Biden administration to transfer cluster munitions to Ukraine is unnecessary and a terrible mistake,” said Rep. Betty McCollum (D-Mo.), the ranking member of the House’s defense appropriations subcommittee. “The legacy of cluster bombs is misery, death and expensive cleanup generations after their use.”

“These weapons should be eliminated from our stockpiles, not dumped in Ukraine,” she added.

Cluster bombs, officially called dual-purpose improved conventional munitions, are designed to take out multiple military targets by scattering large numbers of small “bomblets” over a wide area. They are banned by most NATO countries because the ordnance that fails to explode can end up killing civilians, even long after conflict has ended.

The Democratic lawmakers noted that Congress has barred the transfer of any cluster munition with a “dud rate” of greater than 1 percent, though Biden can waive the rule.

Pentagon spokesperson Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder said Thursday that officials will “carefully” select only the rounds with lower dud rates, for which there is recent testing, to send to Ukraine. The U.S. has large numbers of cluster bombs sitting in storage, which officials argue will help Ukraine break through dug-in Russian lines as Kyiv is rapidly running out of conventional ammunition.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: bidenvoteransel12; bombs; brandon; cluster; munitions; ukewar; ukraine; usmerchantofdeath; warisbusiness
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Brandon can be bribed.
1 posted on 07/08/2023 4:53:20 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
--- "...as Kyiv is rapidly running out of conventional ammunition...."

FR threads have been filled for months now with assertions that it is the Russian Federation which has been running out of ammunition, as well as supplies.

FR threads have had those attesting that emptying out ammunition stores from the US stocks, as well as Europe and South Korea and beyond have been reinforcing Ukrainian needs for ammunition.

Anyone see an anomaly here?

2 posted on 07/08/2023 5:00:44 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Libloather

This action can probably be traced back to the five insane women who are the resident’s constant advisors.


3 posted on 07/08/2023 5:20:09 AM PDT by Highest Authority (DemonRats are pure EVIL)
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To: Libloather

“Top Dems” is an oxymoron.


4 posted on 07/08/2023 5:27:08 AM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute. )
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

I was about to post this same observation. I have only one question here about the propoganda in this war. Are the globalsit forever war shills trying to dupe us by lying out of the left side of their mouths or some other orifice, front or back.


5 posted on 07/08/2023 5:33:16 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Libloather

Top Dems are Cluster F...


6 posted on 07/08/2023 5:33:36 AM PDT by dblshot
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To: Libloather

On a positive note, if there is such a thing with dems, is that some of the “top Dems” have some degree of sanity knowing cluster bombs will be nothing but a cluster-F, and do nothing to end the war. If nothing else it will escalate the war.

Resorting to cluster bombs is an admission of failure of Zippy The Pervert’s war. This guy should have stayed with piano playing, as the world would have been much safer.


7 posted on 07/08/2023 5:40:16 AM PDT by redfreedom (Joseph Stalin: "It does not mater how anyone votes, how votes are counted is what matters.")
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To: Libloather
that officials will “carefully” select only the rounds with lower dud rates, for which there is recent testing, to send to Ukraine.

LOL - we'll do our best to give you the ones we think will work. Most of the time. We hope.

DC Clown Show.

8 posted on 07/08/2023 5:49:10 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Libloather

Dream Job:
Be the guy who tests cluster bomb production runs to determine the “dud rate.”

Big Fun!


9 posted on 07/08/2023 5:50:03 AM PDT by William of Barsoom (In Omnia, Paratus)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time
Anyone see an anomaly here?

Don't worry, you're not being lied to

By the same people who funded Covid research but denied it

by the same people who gave you "safe and effective" vax and mandated it on you

By the same people who lied about Russia controlling Trump to overthrow an election

By the same people who told you Hunter's laptop was fake Russian disinformation

By the same people who tell you America is being taken over by white supremacists.

No, you definitely should believe this.

10 posted on 07/08/2023 5:53:15 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Libloather

The Russians use cluster bombs.


11 posted on 07/08/2023 5:54:16 AM PDT by popdonnelly (All the enormous crimes in history have been committed by governments.)
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To: AndyJackson
--- "Are the globalsit forever war shills trying to dupe us by lying out of the left side of their mouths or some other orifice, front or back."

Yes. The Democrats (which includes the RINOs to my view) want to "occupy" both positions in the debate, so that whatever happens, the party can say, "see, we told you so."

After all, climate change tsar Kerry became rather well known for "I voted for it before I voted against it."

Politics in their hands is all about being for and against and for and against....

Consider an oldie-but-goodie: "Kerry's Top Ten Flip-Flops"

Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kerrys-top-ten-flip-flops/

12 posted on 07/08/2023 6:00:55 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: PGR88
Lovely sarcasm, cutting and all too short. So many lies from so many sources, with one underlying theme -— send money / spend money. Even when you don't have it and the nation is essentially the largest debtor of our time.
13 posted on 07/08/2023 6:03:24 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Libloather

14 posted on 07/08/2023 6:05:48 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: T.B. Yoits

As long as we don’t put skulls on our caps.


15 posted on 07/08/2023 6:08:41 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator
As long as we don’t put skulls on our caps.

Yeah, they learned that lesson. Instead, put a rainbow on it and claim their efforts are for good causes such as Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity (DIE).



16 posted on 07/08/2023 6:24:44 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: redfreedom

“On a positive note, if there is such a thing with dems, is that some of the “top Dems” have some degree of sanity knowing cluster bombs will be nothing but a cluster-F, and do nothing to end the war.”

I agree, but there may be another advantage for these “top” ‘Rats. If the administration does provoke a full scale war with Russia, and Joe somehow manages to lose, the losers will face war crimes trials. How happy they will be to tell the judges at the Hague that they were against sending illegal weapons.


17 posted on 07/08/2023 6:34:12 AM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: Libloather

This is horrific. What’s next for the degenerate in the White House—mustard gas, napalm? Why aren’t Republicans, including the current candidates, shouting, “No”! at the top of their lungs? Is the U.S. to be seen as not only incompetent under this moron but war criminals as well?

If there are any decent Democrats left in the government, they should be marching into the Oval Office and telling Biden to resign. I remember a delegation of Republicans going to Nixon and urging him to resign and he hadn’t committed a third of the impeachable offenses this senile, corrupt old man has. This is despicable.


18 posted on 07/08/2023 6:38:58 AM PDT by PA Presbyterian (Never Surrender!)
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To: PA Presbyterian

Russia has been using cluster bombs since it first invaded, and even Ukraine has used a few.


19 posted on 07/08/2023 7:52:27 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Highest Authority

Is one of those five a ****h names Lindsey?


20 posted on 07/08/2023 8:02:47 AM PDT by OKSooner ("Oh, the mad fools!")
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