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Video roundup of reports on Wagner "crossing the Rubicon" into Russia after their bases were attacked by Russian military.
1 posted on 06/23/2023 4:37:17 PM PDT by vladimir998
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtHL2gEURlc


2 posted on 06/23/2023 4:37:40 PM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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“THE CIVIL WAR STARTED IN RUSSIA, PUTIN’S MILITARY ATTACKED WAGNER MERCENARIES”

And my waist size in 29.


3 posted on 06/23/2023 4:38:51 PM PDT by BobL
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Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

Is Wagner (whoever he is) better or worse than Putin on an absolute scale? For the Russian people?

For the USA??

was this an intentional side effect of US foreign policy (to topple the Russian government)??


4 posted on 06/23/2023 4:40:26 PM PDT by SteveH
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Good! We can stop sending Ukraine aid and money now, right?

Right?


5 posted on 06/23/2023 4:41:08 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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I thought it started at Ft. Sumter, but history has changed since I was in school.

Seriously, if Vahgner is the supposed instigator of a Russian civil war, I can rest assured that my weekend activities will not be affected.


8 posted on 06/23/2023 4:45:29 PM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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The Wagner Group didn’t start into operations in the Ukraine until 2014. They were originally started in 2013 and known as a unit of special forces of Russia’s Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU), the 700th Independent Spetsnaz Detachment of the 2nd Independent Brigade. The Ukraine fired a shot across the Russian government’s bow in 1991 when they annexed themselves from Russia as the Soviets disbanded. And that’s when the real “war,” at least of words started prior to the weapons in 2014 being used.

The basis for post-Soviet relations were set by the Belovezh Accords between the new Ukrainian leader Leonid Kravchuk and Russia’s president Boris Yeltsin, alongside the Belarusian leader Stanislav Shushkevich. While the leaders agreed to formally dissolve the Soviet Union in 1991, the Russians wanted to create new suparanational structures to replace it, to the opposition of the Ukrainians. While this led to the establishment of the Commonwealth of Independent States, it did not result in any legally binding commitments.

An Armed Forces of independent Ukraine were soon established: Leningrad Mayor Anatoly Sobchak said that this was “a time bomb under the future of all mankind” while political scientist John Mearsheimer advocated a nuclear-armed Ukraine to maintain peace and prevent Russia from moving to reconquer it.

So this “war” as we know it between Russia and the Ukraine actually started when the Ukrainees founded the Pro-independence People’s Movement of Ukraine in 1989 and the subsequent walking away from the new Russian government in place in 1991.

wy69


10 posted on 06/23/2023 5:08:12 PM PDT by whitney69
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14 posted on 06/23/2023 5:34:16 PM PDT by sauropod (“If they don’t believe our lies, well, that’s just conspiracy theorist stuff, there.”)
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If you believe this, you’re dumber than sack of cat feces.


15 posted on 06/23/2023 5:53:51 PM PDT by Kazan
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How is that Ukrainian counteroffensive going, BTW?

We're FAR more likely to have a civil war than Russia.

And, I sort of look forward to one, one where criminals like the Biden crime family and those that use our foreign policy to make money are brought to justice.

16 posted on 06/23/2023 5:56:00 PM PDT by Kazan
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The Russian military is a bunch of meatheads. The Wagner mercenaries were the only group to recently achieve a victory.


18 posted on 06/23/2023 6:19:50 PM PDT by popdonnelly (All the enormous crimes in history have been committed by governments.)
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Russians killing Russians? Now if we could work in a three way with the Chechens. That would be cool.

And China is warming up the engines in their tanks on their northern border.


21 posted on 06/23/2023 8:00:03 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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Kronstadt Sailors redux?


24 posted on 06/23/2023 8:25:31 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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Russia is a basket case

Decades of corruption will do that.


29 posted on 06/24/2023 8:22:05 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The firearms I own today, are the firearms I will die with. How I die will be up to them.)
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