Posted on 06/23/2023 4:37:17 PM PDT by vladimir998
Video roundup of reports on Wagner "crossing the Rubicon" into Russia after their bases were attacked by Russian military.
Russians killing Russians? Now if we could work in a three way with the Chechens. That would be cool.
And China is warming up the engines in their tanks on their northern border.
“ when they annexed themselves from Russia as the Soviets disbanded. ”
That’s some mighty fine fiction you are writing.
Hmm...I wonder why he didn’t answer your question🤣
Kronstadt Sailors redux?
Again, are you keeping up with the news?
“That’s some mighty fine fiction you are writing.”
Just look it up.
In 1991, at the beginning of the end of the Soviet Union, Ukraine declared independence after nearly 70 years under Moscow’s control.
And when Russian President Vladimir Putin took power a decade later, he began trying to get it back. Ukraine, he says, is part of Russia’s family.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/ukraines-history-and-its-centuries-long-road-to-independence
“The population of Ukraine voted overwhelmingly for independence in the referendum of December 1, 1991. (About 84 percent of eligible voters turned out for the referendum, and about 90 percent of them endorsed independence.) In an election coinciding with the referendum, Kravchuk was chosen as president. By this time, several important developments had taken place in Ukraine, including the dissolution of the Communist Party and the development (under the newly appointed Minister of Defense Kostiantyn Morozov) of the infrastructure for separate Ukrainian armed forces. Ukraine also had withstood political pressure from Moscow to reconsider its course toward independence and enter into a restructured Soviet Union. A week after the independence referendum, the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, and Belarus agreed to establish the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS). Shortly thereafter the U.S.S.R. was formally disbanded.”
https://www.britannica.com/place/Ukraine/Independent-Ukraine
“Ukraine would achieve independence on December 26, when Mikhail Gorbachev formally dissolved the Soviet Union. If August 24, 1991, represented a key step in Kyiv’s long and drawn-out fight to secure its sovereignty from Moscow, August 24, 2022, marks an equally pivotal moment. The West’s role – like in 1991 – is critical as Ukraine tries to shape its future.”
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/8/24/ukraines-reliving-a-promise-it-made-this-day-in-1991
I might suggest that the next time you question someone’s veracity, you might want to do your homework and know what you are talking about.
wy69
It’s all irrelevant this morning, isn’t it. Wagner is halfway to Moscow already. Rostov is going to be a massacre. And the command and control in Ukraine is going to be decapitated.
Putin is finished. This mess is going to get a lot worse.
Russia won’t own Crimea or Ukraine in our lifetimes.
“When the Soviet Union dissolved Russia agreed to recognize Ukrainian independence and sovereignty. Russia reaffirmed this when it signed the Budapest memorandums.”
They didn’t have much choice. With the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, Ukraine became an independent state, formalized with a referendum in December 1991. On 21 January 1990, over 300,000 Ukrainians organized a human chain for Ukrainian independence between Kyiv and Lviv. Ukraine officially declared itself an independent country on 24 August 1991, when the communist Supreme Soviet (parliament) of Ukraine proclaimed that Ukraine would no longer follow the laws of USSR and only the laws of the Ukrainian SSR, de facto declaring Ukraine’s independence from the Soviet Union.
On 1 December, voters approved a referendum formalizing independence from the Soviet Union. Over 90% of Ukrainian citizens voted for independence, with majorities in every region, including 56% in Crimea. The Soviet Union formally ceased to exist on 26 December, when the presidents of Ukraine, Belarus and Russia (the founding members of the USSR) met in Białowieża Forest to formally dissolve the Union in accordance with the Soviet Constitution. With this, Ukraine’s independence was formalized de jure and recognized by the international community.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ukraine
Rants don’t have facts and dates. The voting in the Ukraine and the decision of separation was accomplished prior to the dissolving of the soviets as listed above. The soviets knew they were going under and could not stop a number of the satellites they controlled from annexing.
The three Baltic states—Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania—were the first to break away from the USSR by proclaiming the restoration of their independence, between March and May 1990, claiming continuity from the original states that existed prior to their annexation by the Soviet Union in 1940. The remaining 12 republics all subsequently seceded, all 12 of which joined the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) and most of the 12 joining the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO).
In contrast, the Baltic states focused on European Union (EU) and NATO membership. EU officials have stressed the importance of Association Agreements between the EU and post-Soviet states. Most of these “states” had been under the control no less than almost a century.
After the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, the successor states’ bilateral relations have undergone periods of ties, tensions, and outright hostility.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_relations
It didn’t escalate to all out war until 2014, but the reason for the war was accomplished in 1991 and the growing problem from that time on.
wy69.
Russia is a basket case
Decades of corruption will do that.
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