Posted on 06/02/2023 11:41:30 AM PDT by nickcarraway
Returning to the roots: Orthodox church to celebrate Latin Mass (Cannot be posted, per FR rules)
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Priestly tactic to decieve the congregents and hide what is the message
Hokcus Pokus, Dominocus
Hominy hominy hominy grits
Excuse me?
Use to go an Orthox Mass in DC.
Doesn’t exist any more.
Ridiculous
I think the translations used at Mass now are from the Jerusalem Bible. I like to follow along in the Greek New Testament during the readings (obviously not when they are from the Old Testament) and often notice questionable renditions of the original text.
This isn't true according to the apostle Paul.
In 1st Corinthians 14, Paul admonishes the Corinthian church regarding speaking in an unknown tongue in church. Here's what he says:
But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, unless I speak to you either in revelation, or in knowledge, or in prophecy, or in doctrine? Even things without life that give sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction of sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped ? For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle ? So likewise you, except you utter by the tongue plain speech, how shall it be known what is said ? For you shall be speaking into the air. There are, for example, so many kinds of tongues in this world; and none is without voice. If then I know not the power of the voice, I shall be to him to whom I speak a barbarian; and he that speaketh, a barbarian to me. So you also, forasmuch as you are zealous of spirits, seek to abound unto the edifying of the church. And therefore he that speaketh by a tongue, let him pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is without fruit. What is it then ? I will pray with the spirit, I will pray also with the understanding; I will sing with the spirit, I will sing also with the understanding. Else if thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that holdeth the place of the unlearned say, Amen, to thy blessing ? because he knoweth not what thou sayest. For thou indeed givest thanks well, but the other is not edified. I thank my God I speak with all your tongues. But in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may instruct others also; than ten thousand words in a tongue.
Now one can argue that the pew contains written material that translates the Latin or even that some in the pews understand the Latin. I would argue with Paul, that church servics show be in the common (understandable) languarge.
The sermon is in the vernacular.
Western rite.
Very good. A lot of readers don’t understand the significance of this.
The Orthodox Church has many different branches, all very ancient, and of course they have different rites although most of them are conformed to the rite of St John Chrysostom.
The use of one as opposed to the other depends on the country or geographical location or language. Some celebrations are in Church Slavonic, some in other early versions of the language of the place, and some are in contemporary language of the place (Russian, Greek, Arabic, English, etc.).
This is a Western Rite Orthodox Church, which means they will use a different rite (not the Liturgy of St John Chrysostom) but one that is traditional and goes back beyond the various separations.
Using the Tridentine Rite is perfect. It was developed about 100 years after the Fall of Constantinople in 1453, but was based on a very similar earlier form and thus is very much within the traditional Orthodox scope. However, it has a long history in the West, and there are many, many people who would be happy to go back to it, either in Latin, the vernacular or a mix of the two. Just bring it back, and if the Orthodox are going to do it, Catholics will vote with their feet and head in that direction!
True. However, Paul in 1 Corinthians 14 makes it clear that the church service (all of it) should be in the common tongue. He explains why.
So, ebonics?
My parents for several years attended a Ukrainian Catholic Church which used the liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. There were missalettes with the Ukrainian text (in the Latin alphabet) on one side with facing English translation. I think the congregation was a mix of Ukrainians and non-Ukrainians. Unfortunately the priest was forced to retire but they then managed to find a Tridentine Latin Mass. This was before 2000.
Oh, well we can’t take the apostle Paul too seriously. After all, in the epistles he sent he never taught anyone to pray to Mary.
Hasn’t the Western Rite been doing this for a while?
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