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American experts are saying 5 American submarines with Tomahawk missiles can destroy the Chinese Navy. China has no chance. How true is this?
Quora ^ | Tomaž Vargazon

Posted on 05/31/2023 10:38:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Well, four American submarines carry over 300 Tomahawk missiles between them.


Four Ohio-class SSBN were converted into SSGNs

Certainly 600 heavy duty missiles is enough to take out the bulk of the Chinese 200-ship (or so) navy. A single good hit by a Tomahawk will disable a carrier and sink a frigate, two to three hits will take out any ship out there. Certainly five American submarines carry enough payload to sink or disable the entire Chinese navy, even excluding the possibility of nuclear-tipped warheads (Tomahawk or otherwise).

The problem is the many layers of defense the subs would have to contend with to get there. You need to be within 1000 km or so of the target, know where it is and where it’s heading to have any chance of hit. China knows this and has countermeasures against submarines entering their seas. Beyond that there are countermeasures ranging from anti-missile missiles to ECM to CIWS as a last-ditch resort. Not all Tomahawks would hit, that is clear. Some would get through, but many would be shot down en route and many more would miss their marks due to electronic interference.

Tomahawks really aren’t well suited to attack ships, they’re precision guided weapons to take out critical land installations.

So the claim is technically true, but meaningless. Four American submarines have enough non-nuclear payload to sink the entire Chinese navy in one salvo, but it’s doubtful they could ever achieve anything remotely close to that, in any realistic scenario.


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KEYWORDS: china; navy; submarines; tomahawk
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To: SeekAndFind
Pretty close to the truth.

China has developed a lot of technology and built a lot of modern hardware but there are a lot of holes in their system

They have focused primarily on offensive technology and they lag in defensive technology. They really lag in anti submarine warfare.

21 posted on 05/31/2023 10:57:43 AM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: Flavious_Maximus

Exactly. Biden’s Greenie Earth handlers would not allow Biden to attack China. The nuclear fall out possibilities would ruin the earth. NOT HAPPENING EVER with Biden in the seat.


22 posted on 05/31/2023 10:58:19 AM PDT by Candor7 ( ( Ask not for whom THE Trump trolls...He trolls for thee!)<img src=""width=500></img>)
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To: SeekAndFind

One Ohio Class could do it.


23 posted on 05/31/2023 10:58:22 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Tomahawk Development:

The U.S. Navy began its development of sea-launched cruise missiles in 1972.

The Tomahawk was designed to fly at subsonic speed while maintaining a low altitude, making it difficult to detect on radar. It uses tailored guidance systems to maneuver while at such low elevations.

In 2016, the Navy requested $434 million to start modifying 245 TLAMS for anti-ship missions, making them capable of hitting enemy ships up to 1,000 nautical miles away within the next decade.

This plan would call for modifications to missiles currently on Ticonderoga guided missile cruisers, Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers, the Navy’s attack submarine fleet (SSNs), and the four Ohio-class guided nuclear missile submarines (SSGNs). This program, if funded, will continue the Navy’s life extension program for Tomahawk missiles.3

Tomahawks can be launched from over 140 U.S. Navy ships and submarines, including four converted Ohio-class submarines, as well Astute, Swiftsure, and Trafalgar-class submarines of the Royal Navy.4


24 posted on 05/31/2023 10:59:23 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We have no shortage of experts, who state things as fact, but really have no idea!)
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To: z3n

Top men


25 posted on 05/31/2023 10:59:32 AM PDT by MrRelevant
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To: SeekAndFind

How about we stop Chinese commerce, thus cut funding the Chinese Navy as a starting point?


26 posted on 05/31/2023 10:59:54 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Donald Tantrum? No Thank You. We Can Do Better! I am a Veteran Supporting Veteran DeSantis.)
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To: SeekAndFind

China will probably invade by airborne - lots of paratroopers into a fairly small & remote area.

The seaside defenses of Taiwan are too strong.


27 posted on 05/31/2023 11:01:54 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: SeekAndFind

We would be sacrificing 5 subs, no? Once they fire, wouldn’t they be giving away their positions?


28 posted on 05/31/2023 11:02:59 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: Reno89519

“How about we stop Chinese commerce, thus cut funding the Chinese Navy as a starting point?”

Go to Home Depot or Lowe’s and see what China makes that goes into a house.

Most drugs Americans need to stay alive have Chinese-made precursors.


29 posted on 05/31/2023 11:04:48 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
I’m sure I’m wrong but I didn’t think a Tomahawk cruise missile could be launched from a sub.

Sure they are, we have done it 100s of times since the first Gulf War. But those were ground targets the question is if they can hit a moving ship. I see no reason to think they can't be modified to hit just about anything.

The big problem is they are slow as hell and have a good radar cross section. Not many will make it to the target but they pack a heck of a punch to a ship if even just one gets though that ship will be rendered combat ineffective.

30 posted on 05/31/2023 11:05:07 AM PDT by usurper (AI was born with a birth defect.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I expect Gen. Mark Milley would call them first to warn them.


31 posted on 05/31/2023 11:05:53 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: SeekAndFind

The British got out of Dunkirk by small boats.


32 posted on 05/31/2023 11:06:21 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Zathras

++


33 posted on 05/31/2023 11:10:58 AM PDT by MIA_eccl1212 (When the bad guys have leverage they use it)
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To: qam1

If you like your 3 Gorges Dam, you can keep your 3 Gorges Dam.


34 posted on 05/31/2023 11:13:35 AM PDT by Noumenon (You're not voting your way out of this. KTF)
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To: Joe Brower

Tomahawks can definitely be tasked against shipes.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/us-navy%E2%80%99s-new-tomahawk-missile-ship-killer-180805


35 posted on 05/31/2023 11:13:40 AM PDT by servantoftheservant
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To: SeekAndFind

Navy uses links with satellites, sonar buoys and the like for guidance. Being there is not a requirement.

As for China’s countermeasures - don’t swallow the propaganda.


36 posted on 05/31/2023 11:14:48 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: qam1

One Tomahawk hit on the 3 Gorges Dam and a third of China is underwater


And WWIII begins with all of China’s nukes launching on every facility and city in the US. Way to go!!


37 posted on 05/31/2023 11:16:20 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: al baby

He’s insane - that’s 400 million dead Chinese


38 posted on 05/31/2023 11:17:22 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I’m sure I’m wrong

you are

Pay attention to the graphic at the start of this post.


39 posted on 05/31/2023 11:18:55 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: immadashell

Not only that but cracks are appearing in their home made carrier’s flight deck amidships.


40 posted on 05/31/2023 11:21:04 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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