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Different methods of giving patients a drug to prevent stroke complications can lead to 'massive variation' in outcomes (Doctors lack important insight or ability)
Medical Xpress / Univ of Alberta / Pharmacotherapy: The Journal of Human Pharmacology and Drug ^ | May 23, 2023 | Adrianna MacPherson / Sherif Hanafy Mahmoud et al

Posted on 05/25/2023 3:12:24 PM PDT by ConservativeMind

Different methods of giving patients the same drug to prevent severe complications after a type of stroke lead to different outcomes.

Aneurysmal subarachnoid hemorrhage, a type of stroke, has an average mortality rate of 30 to 50 percent.

A drug called nimodipine is the only treatment proven to prevent this complication. It's recommended that all patients receive nimodipine for 21 days. However, there are different ways to administer the drug.

Patients who are able to swallow tablets or capsules receive a consistent dose. The issue arises with patients who are unable to swallow the medication.

In areas where nimodipine tablets are available, health-care professionals must crush them bedside and mix them with water to give to the patient through an enteral feeding tube. However, there are no guidelines.

"Nimodipine is a light-sensitive medication. If it stays in the light for a while it can actually break down," he notes.

Where gel capsules are available, the gel must be extracted from the capsules bedside, then given through a feeding tube. However, patients often don't receive the full capsule contents.

"There's a study with one of our collaborators that found drawing liquid from the capsule is very inconsistent. They're not drawing the whole drug, they're not getting all of the medication."

Mahmoud and his collaborators compared rates of delayed cerebral ischemia in groups of patients who received each formulation.

"We found there was a massive variation."

Of the patients, 31 percent experienced delayed cerebral ischemia. However, the prevalence was 59.1 percent among the patients who received crushed tablets and 45.8 percent among those who received liquid drawn from capsules at the bedside.

The lowest rate of delayed cerebral ischemia, just 13.5 percent, was observed in the group who received nimodipine that had been extracted at the hospital pharmacy rather than bedside.

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Not having the pharmacist do the work led to a 400+% stroke rate.

Doctors and their staff do not know how to do this properly, it would appear.

It is intriguing that pharmacists do it so well, though.

1 posted on 05/25/2023 3:12:24 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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2 posted on 05/25/2023 3:12:57 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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Mostly it is not a doctor doing it but a health care worker who might not even be at the LPN level. And they do not do it repeatedly.

The pharmacist is trained and does it on a regular basis.

Repetition is the key to becoming skilled.

3 posted on 05/25/2023 3:31:38 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Follow the money. Even if it leads you to someplace horrible it will still lead you to the truth.)
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To: ConservativeMind

I work in a hospital system.
It is much more expensive to pay a pharmacist to do or supervise this thus as much as possible is policy delegated to nursing without near the medication mixing compounding training. The wildly variable results from this described in the article are derived from this practice. No I dont have good alternative suggestions likely to be tried.


4 posted on 05/25/2023 3:45:01 PM PDT by desertsolitaire ( )
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Perhaps the hospital pharmacist could do a quick class for some nurses on the proper way to do it, and have the nurses so trained be designated for this task.


5 posted on 05/25/2023 3:49:02 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (We live in a time where intelligent people are being silenced so stupid people won’t be offended)
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To: ConservativeMind

The silly thing is that it is a liquid. Why don’t they just provide it in a vial to hospitals? There is absolutely no reason to put in a capsule just to take it back out.


6 posted on 05/25/2023 4:39:34 PM PDT by Life_Liberty_Property_1776
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ah, the pharmacy's in hospital dump on the nurses all the time...whatever another dept does not want to do, they make the nurses do it....which is why we often mix our own antibiotics on the floor, which is why we're stuck trying to suck liquid out of a capsule, or crushing pills to go down a feeding tube....

of course the amount of drug is going to vary.....

all these pharmaceutical companies making billions but they care NOT if their drug is simple and efficient to give....they've made their money and they don't care.

7 posted on 05/25/2023 4:45:31 PM PDT by cherry
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Good suggestions.
No quick fix answers. The downside of drawing up/mixing/compounding medicines at the patient bedside while multiple distractors are continuously in play is that it is very challenging and people respond to such challenges very differently. I should think about this a bit as I don’t enjoy complaining without offering suggestions to improve.
Thanks.


8 posted on 05/26/2023 5:16:33 AM PDT by desertsolitaire ( )
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To: ConservativeMind

Doctors have nothing to do with the administration. We order the drug and route. It is up to nursing to administer. Since these patients should all be in ICU in a primary stroke center (a nontraumatic subarachnoid hemorrhage is an absolute reason to fly a patient to such a center) I’m a little surprised at the variation. These should all be highly trained nurses in a neuro ICU. It would be interesting to see the comparison of patients in a fairly large city where such centers are available to those in a more remote setting. if pharmacy is better at handling the drug they should by all means do so. interesting study.


9 posted on 05/26/2023 5:29:59 AM PDT by Mom MD ( )
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