Posted on 05/18/2023 4:59:52 AM PDT by MtnClimber
Agreed. Few people realize this. Most countries south of the border are primarily catholic and most of those countries are crap holes. They have been since the Spanish invaded centuries ago. And few will admit to the corruption within Catholicism. It’s a long list centuries old.
Argentina was polluted by fleeing Germans and Nazis
Juan Peron set the stage
Western civilization started out in the levant and fertile crescent, then spread out to persia and greece and to rome, the later of which we tend to recognize the most because of how much of it’s literature survived. It was dominated by war and tyrants building empires that spread much like the plagues, but that along with trade was responsible for the cross influences of the cultures. I’m not anti-Catholic, I promise, but it’s hard to argue that it wasn’t at least partially responsible for the dark ages. I am also not pro ‘enlightenment’ or industry, but I think you can either credit the renaissance as the start of modern western culture, or at least was a symptom of it’s beginnings. In fact, for all it’s faults in ignorant/uneducated servantile populations and poor general health, there’s probably something to say for the bucolic life compared to where we are heading now... but I digress as I always worry about sounding a little too much Kascinski, but as someone who in youth embraced the leading edges of technology, I have grown disenchanted and the spell is broken. These are more likely to become chains on the people, not tools for freedom.
If by Western Civilization, you refer to the moral transformation caused by Christianity (something the Catholic church had a strong influence on), that is something I would not argue with, but that is something that has been on the slow decline for 500 years and quickly accelerating.
Argentina also has one of the largest frackable shale gas fields in the world. But they are a basket case, economically
Maybe all these Illegals should go to Argentina
There’s a saying, ‘’Argentines are Italians who speak Spanish who think they are British.’’
You make some great points. It really is a complex problem. It’s in our nature not only to do good, but also to screw things up.
Good vs evil…
Maybe they should reinvade the Falklands.
Trump as POTUS could arbitrate a return of the islands just as he could do that with the Donbass. He could then offer Guantanamo back to the Cubans. No strategic value and it’s expensive. In return Trump deports Cuban felons in the US. Throw in a few Puerto Ricans at Rykers Island. Acknowledge the embargo was a failure.
Don’t you think it would be a kick in the teeth to the neocons?
When did they ever recover? They just sink deeper and deeper.
Things are not changing. I recommend prepping.
Cuesta Abajo (Downhill)--Carlos Gardel (1934)
Now downhill on my ride
Past illusions
I can't start them.
I dream of the past that I long for,
The old time that I cry
And that it will never come back.
Had they waited around for the Biden presidency, their invasion of the Falklands would have been successful.
“Maybe they should reinvade the Falklands.
Trump as POTUS could arbitrate a return of the islands”
Why would Trump want to get involved in that? The people in the Falklands are Brits and wish to remain that way. Who are we to tell them otherwise?
The West, in terms of science, technology, business, finance and politics really begins with The Enlightenment.
Adam Smith, for example, was a philosopher of the Scottish Enlightenment. John Locke was one of the most influential thinkers of The Enlightenment.
No, the problem is catholicism which brings about the development of radicalism and rejection of God. Vietnam is a perfect example. I know it is so difficult to admit something you always believed was good is actually bad. That is a mental shock.
They were completely Godless before the catholics invaded. However, the changeover to catholicism did not bring about positive results because of the corruption and error of that religion.
*“Maybe they should reinvade the Falklands. Trump as POTUS could arbitrate a return of the islands”
Why would Trump want to get involved in that? The people in the Falklands are Brits and wish to remain that way. Who are we to tell them otherwise?*
Simple. Like Guantanamo the Falklands are high maintenance. A half a million $ per resident to invade and free them. Are they(2k people) really entitled to an opinion? They couldn’t pull it off today-cutbacks. Latin America would appreciate it and we’d show leadership. Same with the Panama Canal. And while we’re on a roll go for Puerto Rican independence, another $hithole.
“The problem is cultural.”
The British influence (Magna Carta, etc.) was a boon to this country. Add to that the many people who fled to the US to be free from persecution and to have the opportunity to prosper.
Europe is important to Western civilization. The best Europeans, daring and hard-working, came here.
Others have to be considered on a case-by-case basis. I remember reading many years ago that Mexicans came to Texas to work. They came to California for welfare.
I am not sure that there is so much a problem with Catholicism as there is a benefit to Protestantism. Protestantism has multiple denominations and hence more dispersed power.
Even Protestants can have a problem with concentrated power. For years, a mostly conservative Methodist rank and file has unwittingly supported a left-wing leadership that is morally and theologically corrupt.
The left does not create, so much as it “takes-over” (steals). Contrary to Marx, the left does not start in the grass roots. It starts, per Lenin, top-down. So now we have a Pope who is not Catholic.
“On paper, Argentina should be the richest, most productive nation on the planet.”
the problem is that it’s full of Argentinians ...
About 15 years ago I traveled through Chile and Argentina. The former was full of people who were helpful, generally honest, and made the correct change without asking. The latter was full of people with their hand out for a tip, seedy with the change counting, and otherwise people you should be wary of. Both at the time were roughly equal in their Catholicism and other traits beyond ethnicity.
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