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From crime and homelessness to schizophrenia and suicide: Mothers share how pot stole their sons
NY Post ^ | 11 May 2023 | Rikki Schlott

Posted on 05/11/2023 4:12:14 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

The text from her son Randy that Heather Bacchus received at at 1:26 AM on July 17, 2021, seemed like good news.

“I’m quitting weed for good and want to surround myself with healthy and happy people,” he wrote. “This has been too much for me and for you guys.”

Less than an hour later, at 2:09 AM, a second text arrived.

“I love you and am sorry for everything. I love dad and the same to him. I wish I would have been a better person.”

It was his suicide note. That night, Randy killed himself.

...Now research suggests they were right: a study published by the National Institutes of Health warns that cannabis use is implicated in 30% of cases of schizophrenia among men aged 18 to 30.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: correlation; pot; schizophrenia; youngmen
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To: WinstonSmith1984

—” If you don’t take up their time... some else will.”

One of our kid’s grammar school teachers said it was best to keep them busy until they drop from exhaustion and do it every day.


21 posted on 05/11/2023 5:50:09 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last messa)
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To: Neverlift

<“cannabis use is implicated in 30% of cases of schizophrenia among men aged 18 to 30.””

“Got to ask, what about the other 70%?”

If I had to guess, it’d be pedophiles like the Bidens.


22 posted on 05/11/2023 5:51:27 PM PDT by Dogbert41 (“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God” -Matthew 5:9)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

These statistical correlation studies only show the mentally ill are more likely to self medicate and become addicts. Twin studies have shown no measurable differences among twins from even the heaviest cannabis abuse.

Alcohol abuse was actually shown to create direct structural changes in the brain in this twin study while cannabis abuse did not. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33726938/

The correlation of mental illness to tobacco is actually FAR stronger than cannabis yet few are claiming it MAY cause mental illness like these reefer madness rags. 80% of schizos smoke cigarettes versus 12% of general population. Far greater than this 30% cited for cannabis.

https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/schizophrenia-smoking-the-link#:~:text=Most%20people%20who%20smoke%20don,a%20day%20compared%20with%20nonsmokers.


23 posted on 05/11/2023 5:53:06 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: Neverlift

—”Got to ask, what about the other 70%?”

I read that as being 30% of the total schizophrenia cases and probably avoidable.


24 posted on 05/11/2023 5:55:27 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last messa)
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To: simpson96

I worked with a guy who smoked for years. Business owner, became a trauma center nurse, and was an excellent musician. Grew his own or bought from friends who did. He eventually gave it up because it was a hassle. Though I’d agree he’s the exception to the rule.


25 posted on 05/11/2023 6:07:02 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Drugs like pot messed up some of my relatives.

But so did crummy parents, and professional modeling, so...


26 posted on 05/11/2023 6:10:08 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: varyouga

The study:
“The Effects of Alcohol and Cannabis Use on the Cortical Thickness of Cognitive Control and Salience Brain Networks in Emerging Adulthood: A Co-twin Control Study”

Does not mention schizophrenia in any way.

Here’s a study on that topic:
Cannabis use and risk of schizophrenia: a Mendelian randomization study

...”This adds to the substantial evidence base that has previously identified cannabis use to associate with increased risk of schizophrenia, by suggesting that the relationship is causal. Such robust evidence may inform public health messages about cannabis use, especially regarding its potential mental health consequences.”
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28115737/


27 posted on 05/11/2023 6:16:48 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last messa)
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To: dware
Yeah, that's the ticket. Have another toke.

28 posted on 05/11/2023 6:17:56 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: zeestephen

Makes sense. Too much sense. We can’t have that.


29 posted on 05/11/2023 6:38:31 PM PDT by spintreebob (ki .h g)
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To: Neverlift

Got to ask, which came first, schizo or pot?


30 posted on 05/11/2023 6:41:12 PM PDT by spintreebob (ki .h g)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

It is obviously not a harmless weed. Maybe if potency was like it was 40 years of that may have been true, but not now.


31 posted on 05/11/2023 6:41:58 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (It's science and therefore cannot be questioned!)
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To: yldstrk

That breaks my heart. I am truly sorry for your family.


32 posted on 05/11/2023 6:44:58 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (It's science and therefore cannot be questioned!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Not everyone who drinks alcohol is addicted.
Not everyone who smokes pot is addicted.

Not everyone who plays russian roulet dies.

Not everyone who drives a car is maimed for life in a crash.

Not everyone who takes a COVID is helped (or harmed).

With local control, local option, some can vote with the SCOTUS is correct. The same should be true for all these type of issues.

Local control. If you don’t like it, vote with your feet.
This is DEMOCRACY in AMERiCA,... when we vote with our feet.


33 posted on 05/11/2023 6:51:05 PM PDT by spintreebob (ki .h g)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Things are just too easy.

Good times make soft men.
Soft men make hard times.
Hard times make hard men.
Hard men make good times.

Rinse, repeat.


34 posted on 05/11/2023 6:51:19 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (It's science and therefore cannot be questioned!)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

MR studies are very flawed purely statistical manipulation and do not show direct differences like one can absolutely see in twins if trying to test for true causality.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03754-3

Here is a more recent larger twin study of causal effect on schizophrenia of approx 3000 individuals.

https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fabn0000701

“We found no evidence of an effect of cannabis on Psychoticism or any of its facets in co-twin control models that compared the greater-cannabis-using twin to the lesser-using co-twin. We also observed no evidence of a differential effect of cannabis on Psychoticism by polygenic risk of schizophrenia. Although cannabis use and disorder are consistently associated with increased risk of psychosis, the present results suggest this association is likely attributable to familial confounds rather than a causal effect of cannabis exposure.”


35 posted on 05/11/2023 7:37:00 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Impossible! Pot is a harmless drug.


36 posted on 05/11/2023 7:40:01 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance.)
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To: Migraine

How do you know it *makes* you dropout and not simply a drug heavily abused by dropouts?

I’m my high school, nearly all the top boys in my class would smoke after school pretty much daily. They were simply smart enough to hide it. Today they are business owners, doctors, engineers, etc and some still smoke on special occasions.

It’s just not something professionals are open about with everyone due to the negative perception many people (especially older) still have of cannabis. Thankfully that is changing and you will soon see people at the highest levels can appreciate cannabis and still be extremely capable and successful.

In fact, it helps some anxious/overactive individuals calm down and focus better on their daily tasks. For some people, far more effectively than many offerings by big pharma.


37 posted on 05/11/2023 8:00:44 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga
Today they are business owners, doctors, engineers, etc and some still smoke on special occasions.

You've got your anecdotes, I've got mine. Weed is just not something I'd like to see youngsters gravitating to, especially as they rationalize the practice when they "see people at the highest levels can appreciate cannabis..."

Kids are highly impressionable and we're losing them.

38 posted on 05/11/2023 10:36:22 PM PDT by Migraine
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To: Migraine

I’ve also seen plenty of people destroyed by drug abuse.

Youngsters (and adults) would not gravitate toward abusing anything if it felt better for them to live mostly sober in our society and they had the proper support through difficult times. NEVER encountered anyone that fell into true addiction without issues or illness where they felt completely abandoned by society.

More and more people live in a reality where family, friends, employers, doctors and authority figures are only there to rip them off for their own money/pleasure until there is nothing left to take and they are thrown into the gutter.

Drugs are NOTHING compared to the feeling of living in a healthy, supportive society and addiction could be nearly eliminated if we all lived under a healthier philosophy than everyone for themselves...


39 posted on 05/12/2023 12:19:54 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

—”How do you know it *makes* you dropout and not simply a drug heavily abused by dropouts?”

A nice bit of sophistry.


40 posted on 05/12/2023 1:04:56 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last messa)
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