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America doesn't have gun a problem, it has a criminal problem.
1 posted on 05/02/2023 11:09:41 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: Paal Gulli

Hammers, saws, cars, gasoline violence least affected. Hey researchers...... Phu cough!


2 posted on 05/02/2023 11:11:03 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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To: Paal Gulli

They only got to “most common cause of death among children” by including 18 and 19 year old gangbangers. No other statistic considers 18 and 19 year olds as children.


3 posted on 05/02/2023 11:12:55 AM PDT by Bayan
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To: Paal Gulli
Firearm injuries surpassed motor vehicle accidents as the leading cause of child deaths in 2020.

Define "child".

4 posted on 05/02/2023 11:14:57 AM PDT by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Paal Gulli

You could reduce child shootings by getting more gang bangers off the streets. But the Left doesn’t want to hear that.


5 posted on 05/02/2023 11:15:23 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (The rot of all principle begins with a single compromise.)
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To: Paal Gulli

Need more time at the range.


6 posted on 05/02/2023 11:15:59 AM PDT by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: Paal Gulli

Captain Obvious should have visited those “research” clowns decades ago. Oh, forgot, he did, and left laughing so hard that he never got to talk to socialists.


7 posted on 05/02/2023 11:16:24 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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“. . . most child shooting victims were shot outdoors for unknown reasons and were likely not intentionally targeted.”

The headline referred to “innocent (child) bystanders” but the text of the article more correctly states they were not “intentionally targeted.”

Big difference. I'm thinking all child shooting victims are innocent.

Unless you define “child” as being 22 years old.

But even a 12-year old - if shot when spraying down a police cruiser with a Saturday night special - would not be a “victim.”

Headline writters should be banned.

8 posted on 05/02/2023 11:24:47 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: Paal Gulli

Commies in the health establishment have redefined “children to include 18 and 19 year olds to boost the gun death numbers. Excluding 18/9 Motor vehicle is #1. Exclude suicides and Motor vehicles is like 2x gun deaths.

https://rulesforantiradicals.com/blog/f/when-%E2%80%98children-killed-by-guns%E2%80%99-are-not-children-at-all


9 posted on 05/02/2023 11:27:49 AM PDT by Wayne07
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“Bystanders” to what? Bystanders to another crime. Which will tell us who is doing the shooting in these cases - these are criminals who don’t care who gets hit. This is going to sound crazy, but why don’t we, oh, I don’t know, arrest and hold these people instead of letting them back on the street?


10 posted on 05/02/2023 11:30:48 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Paal Gulli

Meaningless without a breakdown by race.


11 posted on 05/02/2023 11:31:00 AM PDT by TheDon (Resist the usurpers! Remember the J6 political prisoners!)
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To: Paal Gulli
First, please define 'child.' If it's merely anyone under 18, then I have a big problem with the premise.

Second, this quote: The researchers found that 72% of these children were shot outdoors by an unknown shooter, whose motivation was unknown in 93% of cases.

That just sounds like sloppy (or non-existent) police work, the 'Snitches get Stitches' mindset in many 'communities,' or just plain old 'let's make the data fit the narrative' instead of the other way around.

12 posted on 05/02/2023 11:34:13 AM PDT by Quality_Not_Quantity ("...for the sake of His name." Psalm 23:3)
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I call BS. 17 YO thugs are not children.


13 posted on 05/02/2023 11:50:43 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there..)
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To: Paal Gulli
It's not 'gun violence it's 'criminal violence'.

14 posted on 05/02/2023 11:51:59 AM PDT by GOPJ (John Adams said that “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.”)
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To: Paal Gulli

For the purpose of some crime stats, a child is a person under the age of 26. These stats are fashioned to construct the necessary narrative, transforming gang bangers shooting each other over drug deals, into little Mary in pigtails riding her bike.


15 posted on 05/02/2023 11:54:13 AM PDT by dead (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_vFiUUcBkc)
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To: Paal Gulli

Old Validated, verified and ADMITTED research reveals that DOCTORS through their own Malfeasance and Misfeasance KILL OVER 100,000 Americans Annually. So stick it up your ass you lying duplicitous POS Doctors. Oh and Pharmacists kill over 150,000 ANNUALLY by making mistakes in prescriptions


16 posted on 05/02/2023 12:13:31 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: Paal Gulli

Wonder if the same researchers also found out thousands more innocent bystander children were the victims of abortion.


17 posted on 05/02/2023 12:25:54 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (When Ashli Babbitt’s video-taped murderer Michael Byrd is indicted, I’ll start paying attention.)
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To: Paal Gulli
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022480422008551

"One hundred and fifty-six pediatric victims of firearm injuries were identified, excluding those who were intentionally self-inflicted. Victim ages ranged from 6 to 17 y with a mean age of 15 y (standard deviation 2.2) and a median age of 16 y (interquartile range 14-16). Most victims were male (87.8%) and Black (98.1%). Seventy-five victims (48.1%) were admitted to the hospital, 77 (49.4%) were discharged home from the ED, and 4 (2.5%) died in the ED."
That means 75% of the victims were between 14 and 17. Gangs, drugs, the destruction of the black family over the last 50 years are more to blame than guns.
18 posted on 05/02/2023 12:32:00 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: Paal Gulli
From the study:

“This cross-sectional study included children aged 6-17 y who presented to an urban level 1 pediatric trauma center with firearm injuries from 2014 to 2017.”

So, when you compare this study to vehicle related injuries/deaths; you have skewed the results by basically eliminating most drivers due to the 6 to 17-year-old age restriction.

From the study:

“... 72% of victims were shot outdoors by an unknown shooter, the motivation of (sic) which was unknown in 93% of cases. 36% of these shootings were ‘drive-by.’”

So, the study ultimately concludes from this that most shooting victims were “innocent bystanders.” An honest conclusion would be that we do not know whether the victims were innocent bystanders or rival gang members. I'm sure there were individuals from both categories.

23 posted on 05/02/2023 1:19:48 PM PDT by Ozymandias Ghost
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