Posted on 04/25/2023 9:49:45 AM PDT by Red Badger
Not only radio waves, but we sent a gold plated disk with our exact location and engraved pictures of our naked women.
Protestant, or atheist?
Or both.
Huh Huh...Huh Huh!
Wait, what?
What if the odds are way less than 1 out of a trillion? Look at each of these properties that have to be juuussst right that I can think of off the top of my head. Imagine the odds of each one being one out of a 1,000 (a few 0's). Multiply it out and it's 1 out of 10^36. And that's just the properties I can think of that are special about our planet, star, and galaxy. I'm sure there are many, many more properties that have to be fine-tuned to be just right for advanced life. And with my example I assumed the odds for each property was 1 out of 1,000, but I'd bet for most of them it's a lot less.
1. Planet just happens to be in the "goldilocks zone" for liquid water.
2. Planet in the right age of its life cycle for advanced life, while the host star also just happens to be the right age in its life cycle.
3. Planet has a molten core.
4. Planet has a big brother bodyguard planet like Earth has Jupiter, and the big planet is close enough to absorb most of the asteroids into its larger gravity well (sparing Earth from frequent ELA's), but far enough away so that the big planet doesn't cause too much tectonic activity on the life hosting planet.
5. Host star is near enough to other stars for the necessary cosmic radiation, but not too close and being too bombarded with cosmic radiation.
6. Planet's rotational axis wobbles some to give us some tectonic activity (to stir up necessary heavy elements to the surface), but not too much wobble.
7. Planet's orbit around host star is elliptic enough to help with tectonic activity but not too elliptic.
8. The planet have an accompanying moon just the right size and nearly circular orbit to provide a stabilizing effect on the planet's rotational axis. (Some say our Earth's rotational axis would vary as much as 90° without the moon.) Plus the moon also acts as a sentry like Jupiter does, absorbing asteroids.
9. The host star's iron enrichment be just enough to form planets, but not too rich.
10. The host star's orbit within its galaxy be circular enough.
11. The host galaxy absorb enough dwarf galaxies at a frequent enough rate to maintain its spiral state, but not too frequent. The fact that it's been probably 10 billion years since our Milky Way Galaxy absorbed a dwarf galaxy makes our galaxy somewhat fine-tuned for life in a way that most galaxies aren't.
12. The host star's distance from its galaxy center can't be too close (the massive red stars near the center of the galaxy would disrupt too many things on the planet), not can it be too far away (where there are less elements). It must be within the galactic disc, but not too close to the galactic center.
IMHO I guess it's possible that advanced life is out there somewhere. But only if God created it like He created Earth. Us Christians don't gain or lose anything whether or not we discover advanced life elsewhere. The atheists have to discover advanced life elsewhere to avoid admitting that Earth was especially fine-tuned for life. As for me, I'm not religious enough to believe in this much random chance.
That’s a good list, but we don’t even know if those are critical requirements or just a small subset of a much larger list. Our sun is also a very stable star in comparison to most, probably because of its slow rate of spin. Also, there have been several near-complete extinction events in earth’s past, so what are the odds that life has survived this long? We don’t know. A lot of extrasolar systems that we see have planets with unstable orbits that drift over time, but ours seems to be in an unusual resonance state involving all of them. What are the odds? We don’t know. The only way we’ll know what the odds are for life on other planets is to actually find life on other planets. And even if, incredibly, Earth is the only planet in the whole universe with life, does it matter? It’s a lot of wasted space, but God can waste all the space he wants. He’s God.
I think like Ross in believing that the universe's vastness is part of the design. https://reasons.org/explore/publications/questions-from-social-media/does-the-universe-s-immensity-imply-a-huge-waste.
No, I figured out the typo. It's the internet, we all should get a pass on that.
Was trying to understand your other claim, which you spell out above. But that's confusing. Google tells me that "lithosphere" is defined as the rocky outer layers of the Earth's crust, I guess as distinguished from the more liquid-y core and plastic mantle. So you're saying that stars and gas giant planets have a similar structure? Or just that any heavy elements that get incorporated into a star or planet would logically sink to the bottom, so to speak? Haven't heard this idea before.
How does the conventional model of these objects violate the laws of thermodynamics?
A real theist would not pronouncement on what can or can’t be in God’s infinity.
You are just small minded
Huh?!
Why does the primary star of a life-bearing planet need to be in the proximity of other stars!? Why the heck should that primary star and/or the life-bearing planet need "cosmic radiation?!"
(If you're saying that some minimal amount of mutation-inducing radiation is necessary for evolution to take place - and that has NOT been established as a prerequisite - then the primary star, itself, could provide it.)
Regards,
· join · view topics · view or post blog · bookmark ·
· post new topic · subscribe ·Google news searches: exoplanet · exosolar · extrasolar ·
atheist
Your post has almost as many assumptions as there are galaxies in the cosmos.
It is not a sign of intelligence to make up a bunch of rules that “intelligent life” must follow.
You're going to have to slow down for me here...how does this idea of metallic hydrogen affect the idea of a rocky stellar interior? Isn't the idea that hydrogen only becomes "metallic" (whatever that means...sounds weird) when confined under great pressure.
Thanks for the links btw, lots of cool stuff!
You and I believe the same thing, though I didn't state it clearly. My point is that people who believe that God doesn't exist and that we came to existence through a bunch of freak accidents (including the very planet we live on being here by accident) depend on a bunch of things that have to happen to be just right for the "accident" to happen correctly. One of those things is the presence of substances that our planet and sun were formed from (if it happened accidentally).
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.
