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Over 40% of healthy moms preparing for fecal transplant to C-section babies found to carry potentially harmful pathogens
Medical Xpress / European Congress of Clinical Microbiology & Infectious Diseases (ECCMID) ^ | April 13, 2023 | Dr. Otto Helve et al

Posted on 04/15/2023 7:10:16 PM PDT by ConservativeMind

A randomized trial assessing whether the oral transfer of gut microbiota from mother to baby can safely restore normal microbiota after cesarean section (C-section) has found that over 42% of healthy mothers tested positive for potentially harmful pathogens and were unable to proceed with the transplant.

The new research underscores the importance of screening fecal, perineal and vaginal samples to ensure safety of the transplant process.

Birth by C-section is associated with an increased risk of many immune-related diseases, suggesting that the lack of maternal microbes in early life may have long-term health consequences for children.

Vaginally born infants receive gut bacteria from the mother at birth. But C-section babies are not exposed to maternal fecal microbes and this prevents the natural transfer of microbes from mother to baby.

Fecal microbiota transplantation (FMT) has been successfully used in adults to normalize gut microbiota composition and cure diseases such as recurrent Clostridium difficile infections.

The new randomized trial being conducted in Helsinki University Hospital is investigating whether the intestinal microbiota of C-section babies can be postnatally enriched by orally-delivered FMT from their own mothers within 2 hours of birth. The babies are either given 3.5 mg of the transplants or placebo mixed in mother's milk.

Because feces can contain dangerous pathogens, samples are first carefully and thoroughly screened.

Since autumn 2019, the trial has recruited 90 healthy pregnant women scheduled for elective C-section.

All of the mothers were asymptomatic (i.e., no diarrhea or abnormal bowel functions) and none had been prescribed antibiotics or traveled outside of Europe in the three months prior to screening.

Out of 90 tested mothers, 38 (42%) had pathogen positive samples and were not able to continue with the transplant (see link to poster in notes to editors with up-to-date data).

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: donate; donatedonaldtrump; donatetrump; gitract; microbiota; women
Fecal-type transplants would seem useful, but apparently are more of a concern when fed to babies versus caught by accident while giving birth.

I would think 40% of mothers would still be giving pathogenic bacteria, one way or another, via normal birth.

1 posted on 04/15/2023 7:10:16 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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2 posted on 04/15/2023 7:10:51 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind

I would think that this might be a good place to use a lab cultured product where you can practice some screening control.


3 posted on 04/15/2023 7:22:30 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: ConservativeMind

“C-section babies are not exposed to maternal fecal microbes”

OK, so how are babies delivered vaginally exposed to fecal microbes?


4 posted on 04/15/2023 7:34:00 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (I don’t like to think before I say something...I want to be just as surprised as everyone els)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Sounds like a hygiene issue. All of my kids were C-sections. 20+ years later and no problems—and no fecal transplants either, jeez…


5 posted on 04/15/2023 8:03:27 PM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
“C-section babies are not exposed to maternal fecal microbes”

OK, so how are babies delivered vaginally exposed to fecal microbes?


Because said microbes are on the skin "down there." There's a very large difference between 'clean' and 'disinfected.' A woman who keeps those parts 'clean' still has low levels of bacteria present due to simple proximity of the, *ahem* bunghole, and the baby is exposed to those during vaginal birth.

But a C-section involves the skin around the incision being disinfected, and it's also skin that's much further from the nether regions, and so already has little or no fecal microbes. So the C-section baby is not exposed.

You asked...
6 posted on 04/15/2023 8:08:46 PM PDT by verum ago (I figure some people must truly be in love, for only love can be so blind.)
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#1: "I would think 40% of mothers would still be giving pathogenic bacteria, one way or another, via normal birth."

Babies born the natural way get some of their mother's poop on them. It helps establish a good biome along with the mother's colostrum, her first breast milk produced for a day or two after birth. Studies have found that babies deprived of either of these have a statistically higher chance of developing autism.

Mother's poop has been ok for babies since the dawn of mankind.

7 posted on 04/15/2023 8:12:34 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: ConservativeMind

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-03-babies-gut-microbiome-mothers-vaginal.html

The above study says the vaginal biome doesn’t affect the baby’s gut, so vaginal birth vs c-section wouldn’t matter anyway...

Ah science. Contradictory results.


8 posted on 04/15/2023 8:54:09 PM PDT by heartwood (Someone has to play devil's advocate.)
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Very interesting. That never occurred to me - either the proximal deposition of a bit of fecal material on the newborn or that it was good for the newborn. That is amazing.


9 posted on 04/15/2023 9:05:11 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (I don’t like to think before I say something...I want to be just as surprised as everyone els)
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To: mikey_hates_everything

Two of our three were C-section. Middle one was natural. No problems, either. They are ll in their early and mid 30s now.


10 posted on 04/15/2023 9:06:23 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (I don’t like to think before I say something...I want to be just as surprised as everyone els)
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To: ConservativeMind
I would think 40% of mothers would still be giving pathogenic bacteria, one way or another, via normal birth.

Yes, that would seem logical. The article didn't give a reason that pathogens would be higher for C-section babies but if babies get what they need from a vaginal birth a very tiny amount must be sufficient.

11 posted on 04/15/2023 9:12:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (Woke is a cancer of the mind and humanity)
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To: ConservativeMind

What role does breastfeeding play in all that?

Does that help impart beneficial bacteria to the baby?

FWIW, I have been doing a lot of research into probiotics and some of the most benefical ones and came up with these interesting sources.

Histamine Lowering Probiotics for People with Mast Cell Activation Syndrome and Histamine Intolerance
https://mastcell360.com/histamine-lowering-probiotics-for-people-with-mast-cell-activation-syndrome-and-histamine-intolerance/

Benefits of the Probiotic Lactobacillus Rhamnosus GG
https://www.pursuit-of-happiness.org/benefits-of-the-probiotic-lactobacillus-rhamnosus-gg/

Saccharomyces Boulardii: The Antibiotic Resistant Probiotic
https://www.mygenefood.com/blog/saccharomyces-boulardii-antibiotic-resistant-probiotic/

Just FYI.


12 posted on 04/15/2023 9:28:32 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Scraping the bottom here? Newborns are washed off immediately and mom is essentiaĺly covered. This really seems weird.


13 posted on 04/15/2023 11:02:19 PM PDT by amihow (It is Western Civilization that confers privilege, not whiteness. Ask Carson, MLK, Sowell.)
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“Scraping the bottom”

I suppose that’s how it does happen.


14 posted on 04/15/2023 11:06:05 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (I don’t like to think before I say something...I want to be just as surprised as everyone els)
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To: ConservativeMind

Exposure breeds immunity.


15 posted on 04/16/2023 1:47:38 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again," )
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To: amihow
This really seems weird.

I totally agree.
If poop was good for babies, my mom and grandmother would have been talking about it.

16 posted on 04/16/2023 4:36:01 AM PDT by SisterK (it's controlled demolition)
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To: metmom

Babies do get some bacteria from breast milk, with l. Reuteri being identified that way, originally.


17 posted on 04/16/2023 6:35:51 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind

the way to solve this problem is to get fecal transplants from great athletes.


18 posted on 04/16/2023 7:02:13 AM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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To: ConservativeMind

And that one is one of the best.


19 posted on 04/16/2023 9:07:38 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Very interesting. That never occurred to me - either the proximal deposition of a bit of fecal material on the newborn or that it was good for the newborn. That is amazing.

Depending on who you ask, there is either a rough parity between the number (not by mass or volume, but simple count) of bacterial cells and human cells in a human body or an outright excess of bacterial cells.

In that regard, it's no surprise that getting the "right" mix of bacteria is important for an infant. It's just something we haven't historically examined terribly closely, because natural birth and breastfeeding inoculate the infant automatically with the mother's (usually) healthy balance of microbes, so no reason to take notice. But with more and more C-sections and formula-fed infants, it's starting to matter more.

One of the beauties of a "healthy" mix of bacteria is that they tend to suppress the pathogenic bacteria via simple competition as well, which is why 40% of mothers having "bad" bacteria doesn't automatically translate to 40% of infants starting life with bad infections- the baddies get crowded out.


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20 posted on 04/16/2023 12:25:41 PM PDT by verum ago (I figure some people must truly be in love, for only love can be so blind.)
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