Posted on 04/14/2023 11:56:19 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
France and Britain were NOT allies of Nazi Germany; they were foes, ==
In 1938 they were allies. They became foes in 1939. Also Stalin became ally in 1939 and France-UK-Poland had lost in 1939-40. BUT in 1941 Stalin became ally and this side won.
DO you notice? Actually it is same truth again. Germany was being winning till Russia was on her side. And Germany lost when she pushed Russia on a side on her enemy(US/UK coalition).
Similar thing happened in 19 century and in 18 century if you examine history closely. So the side which Russia(USSR) on, always wins.
Today a same thing. If Russia would be on a side of West then West wins. If not then West will lose. It is a fact.
But West by its stupid politics pushed Russia into embrace of China the geopolitical foe. And China also learned this lesson I showed above so she know perfectly having Russia on her side is victorious.
And it was France’s alliance with Russia that caused all of the turmoil of WWI and subsequently, WWII.
No France-Russia alliance, no WWI.
It’s true that at one point Hitler, who was an admirer of Marshall Piłsudski, envisioned Poland as a partner when they inevitably attacked the Soviet Union.==
Yeah maybe. You seem know history better then other guy. But consider this.
Examine history of 17-18-19 centuries and you may find that there were many different wars and coalitions in Europe and world. BUT always same truth. The side Russia is on always wins. China is NOT stupid and they leaned it too so china is seizing an opportunity now to bring Russia on her side.
But imagine how different things would have been if the fight between Germany/Austria-Hungary and Russia would have been localized in 1914. Should have just let those three beat each other up and stand back and munch on the popcorn.
But because France was allied with Russia, the Germans felt they had to neutralize France first, to free them up to attack Russia.
Which now meant the Germans had to go through Belgium, which then pulled the Brits into the war......and of course, once Britain was in it, it was only a matter of time before the US would get dragged into it.
No France-Russia alliance, no WWI.==
It meant a domination Germany then at this time. Germany had beaten France in 1870 war and took a chunk of her territory and could go further. Germany will completely beat up France in one-to-one fight. 1870 war and 1940 war proved that. But in a coalition France may survive like WW1 proved.
France truly was afraid of Germany and obviously wanted revenge on Germany. Russia also didn’t want a one dominative power in Europe. SO as UK.
“No I believe in a court of law.”
You are a liar, Ivan. You said in a previous post that it is enough that Russians THINK they have a right to eastern Ukraine (and probably ALL of it); and thus, because they THINK that, it must be legal. What legitimate court of law subscribes to such nonsense?
You Russians are a wholly untrustworthy lot, and always have been. To quote (or, at least summarize) Otto von Bismarck: “I don’t trust Russians because Russians don’t trust themselves.”
20,000 Polish officers trusted the Russians when they surrendered to them in 1939, assuming they (the Russians) were honorable, and would treat POWs according to accepted international protocol. Then those same 20,000 Polish officers were MURDERED by the Russians they trusted to uphold international norms. And, what did the Russians do? They blamed the GERMANS for murdering the Polish POWs.
So, don’t talk to me about the Russian concept of “law.”
So? Was Germany really much worse than France, who themselves tried to take over the continent earlier?
Also, odds are had the Germans gone into Russia, ultimately they would have been weakened, just as Napoleon was.
Czar Nicky wasn’t worth the trouble.
Seems to me Britain and France just didn’t like the fact that there was a new kid on the block.
But imagine how different things would have been if the fight between Germany/Austria-Hungary and Russia would have been localized in 1914. ==
It would be impossible. Because Germany had more interests on west of her than on east. And they knew the lesson of Napoleon. You may even get to Moscow BUT it will NOT help you to win. It was proved again in 1941.
And you must bring all your troops there and it will not be enough.
SO when Germany and Austria inevitably stick in a vast forests of Russia they would be attacked into their backs by same France and UK. And they would have a war on 2 fronts which they lose.
SO Germany and Austria realized and never wanted this.
the franco - prussian / German War of 1870 only lasted a few months
Paris was seiged - held hostage
Waning France surrenderd - payed reparations
the pretext was the Spanish succession
waxing Germany was the real reason
we’re in an axis shift
in the 5th century Carthage ruled Rome
just what’s happening here
true America is in exile
Germany attacked in 1914, because she knew Russia was modernizing rapidly, and it was a classic case of “now or never”, they estimated that in five years it would be impossible to defeat Russia.
So? Was Germany really much worse than France, who themselves tried to take over the continent earlier?==
I don’t know. You must know them better because you live closer to them and fought them more.
As I saw some Freeper say here, “If diversity is our strength, then Austria-Hungary would have won WWI”
A half dozen UKR zealots and paid DU trolls here on FR do not a win for Ukraine make.
Germany attacked in 1914, because she knew Russia was modernizing rapidly, and it was a classic case of “now or never”, they estimated that in five years it would be impossible to defeat Russia.==
History proved it was impossible even in 1914. Look what happened with Germany?
Russia may lose a battle or 2 but she always come again and again until enemy is defeated. 1000 year of history and 1000 different wars.
I just look at Britain, France and Germany, and all had big time black marks.
And I didn’t see any German colonies in the Western Hemisphere, unlike Britain and France.
From an American perspective, we shouldn’t have cared about which one prevailed.
With hindsight, of course, but that was truly what the Germans believed then.
“In 1938 they were allies.”
You’re a liar, Ivan; which is par for the course for you folks.
What pact or agreement did France or Britain sign with Nazi Germany establishing an alliance? The 1938 Munich Agreement was not an alliance.
“DO you notice? Actually it is same truth again. Germany was being winning till Russia was on her side. And Germany lost when she pushed Russia on a side on her enemy(US/UK coalition). Similar thing happened in 19 century and in 18 century if you examine history closely. So the side which Russia(USSR) on, always wins.”
My God, don’t they teach you history in Russia? You just said, above, that Germany “...was being winning” — and I understand English is not your language, so I won’t criticize the atrocious grammar — “till Russia was on her side.” From that gibberish I can only assume you are saying that Germany was winning until Russia was on Germany’s side. WWII began on September 1, 1939, when Germany and Russia (USSR) were allies against Poland. The Russians (USSR) not only invaded Poland from the east, it also invaded Finland
— with whom Russia had a non-aggression pact — a couple months later. Russia’s excuse? The same excuse it ALWAYS trots out: To liberate ethnic Russians (the “Red Finns”), and, of course, to annex territory.
Russia (USSR) was making a claim for certain islands and territories that were Finnish — sound familiar, Ivan? — and on November 26, 1939 Russia (USSR) accused the Finns of shelling the village of Mainila. In fact, the Russians had shelled it in order to create a pretext for withdrawal from their non-aggression pact with Finland. Then, at the end of November, 1939 Russia (USSR) invaded Finland. The invasion was condemned internationally and Russia (USSR) was expelled from the League of Nations.
And you have the gall to go on and assert that since the 18th century whichever side Russia was on, won? How did that work out for you guys in 1905 against Japan, Ivan? Or in the Crimean War of 1853-1856, when Russia lost and had to give up the Danube Delta and Southern Bessarabia?
Give it up, Ivan; you are out of your league. You are a shameless propagandist; and, as is common with propagandists, you eventually sink yourselves. Which you have done.
“And I didn’t see any German colonies in the Western Hemisphere, unlike Britain and France.”
But Germany had colonies in Africa, and China, and the South Pacific. That’s why Germany wanted to vastly increase its naval capacity.
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