Posted on 04/08/2023 9:58:03 AM PDT by TexasKamaAina
The company is called Byrna, a national group that's been around for about three years.
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What about home invaders who are really high on drugs? Will they be stopped, or will they keep going?
In New Jersey, self defense is treated as a crime, if you defeat the criminal.
It launches marble-sized spherical capsules that are filled with oleoresin capsicum powder, probably in some proprietary mix with some other chemical irritant (essentially powdered pepper spray). The idea is to shoot an attacker in the upper chest with this, so that the capsule ruptures on impact and releases a cloud of pepper powder into the bad guy's face.
I don't think they've got the designs sorted out yet. Lots of reviews mention the projectiles failing before being fired, spilling the powder into the loaded magazine.
The cops have access to a similar (but more proven) product: a high-capacity paintball gun loaded with "pepperball" projectiles.
The fundamental problem of non-lethal weapons is that they are non-lethal. If the thug tries to attack you anyway, he incurs no risk of dying.
On the plus side, the defender can just shoot immediately to disable the intruder.
I’ve seen a few tests online comparing the two. The Byrna has a much farther distance than the spray. Can’t remember how much though.
Mrs Submareener and I both have one. While I always carry my Sig P365XL, we take them with us in the car when we go into Tucson. Default loadout is the kinetic round 5+1, but we each have a magazine of the OC rounds. The first round punctures the CO2 cartridge. After that you have about 20 shots or a couple of days, before your CO2 cartridge is empty.
The OC rounds are illegal in California and New York among other Blue States. Byrna will not ship them to you if you live in a state in which they are illegal.
Additional comments: like any other pepper spray dispenser, it works if the attacker breathes it in, or it gets in his eyes.
If he’s wearing glasses and holds his breath, it can be less effective.
Since the pepper spray disperses in a cloud when it hits, if the attacker is within arms reach (the most common distance when a mugging is initiated), the pepper cloud will disable YOU just as much as the attacker.
“The problem with non-lethal weapons is that they don’t kill assailants.”
“You can quote me on that.”
If you are ever (heaven forbid) forced to kill an assailant in self defense, that quote almost guarantees a murder conviction.
You definitely should have a less-lethal option when out and about in the world, but outside of a law enforcement situation, is the extra range of a pepperball “gun” really all that practical when considering the extra bulk? Perhaps as some have suggested having it in the car is practical, but you have to evaluate your own particular situation.
That said, my own experience with chemical irritants like CS and OC is that they tend not to work very well, if by ‘working’ we mean that it changes the behavior of the aggressor to be less of a threat. It does seem very effective in irritating the user and other “good guys”. EG, if you get OC in your eyes, your aim is not going to be improved. Add to that two things most people don’t fully consider: 1) OC takes ~30 seconds to have an effect (most deadly force confrontations are resolved one way or another in much less time than that) and 2) about 5% of the population just isn’t affected by it.
One more piece of advice: don’t carry or use OC, or OC/CS combinations unless/until you’ve tried exposure yourself, and can gauge your own level of reaction to that particular irritant. Can you still fight? Aim? Shoot? The answer is probably “yes”, but knowing what you’ll be up against in advance might well save your life, or the life of someone you’re trying to protect.
As always, don’t take advice off of the internet. Get training, and find out for yourself what works for you and your particular situation.
Unless it’s me, I’m just risking it for the brisket, dang I love brisket. I typically approach the door and knock politely though first. My mother taught me that as a kid. It’s amazing what a little manners will do.
"If you are ever (heaven forbid) forced to kill an assailant in self defense, that quote almost guarantees a murder conviction"
That's not how the rules of evidence work. First, let's stipulate that you really don't want to have to find yourself in a situation where you have been forced to defend yourself against a legitimate deadly force threat, where even a perfectly innocent person can be convicted. Not great, but that is in fact how our criminal justice system works a lot of the time.
But the particular quote you are taking exception to would be inadmissible in court having no bearing on any of the elements of an actual self-defense legal defense. I understand a level of cynicsm is always warranted with our political and corrupt DA's and courts, but it would be an extraordinary escalation of the on-going efforts to destroy the rule of law for a court to allow that quote to be introduced at trial. Maybe, possibly after a conviction it could be admitted during sentencing deliberations, but that's a different kettle of fish.
As a wise man once explained to a much younger and more arrogant version of myself "Good intention doesn't make bad force good, and just the same, bad intention doesn't make good force bad."
If someone is in my home, I prefer the type of force that will keep said perp from ever entering my home again.
The judicial system tends to release repeat offenders.
My 9mm not so much.
That's one of things I was thinking.
That's something I was considering, too. After all the other comments here it is probably the way I will go.
Thank you for the advice re a revolver. I’ll probably do that.
Interesting. Thanks for the link. I posted it on my facebook page for my gal friends who may not like carrying a real gun. I might get one myself (although I DO carry, always).
I’m a fighter, weakening a guy and him still coming at me can still work for me, but are you a fighter, can you take on a 200 pounder with teary eyes that wants to move forward and get you under control while he is coughing?
A weapon like this can be a tool in the hands of someone who dominates situations and can afford to play with options in a situation, but a weak person needs a sure thing, a guaranteed winner that makes sure the bad guy can’t reach you and get his hands on you.
Meet your clumsiness head-on: train. You remain clumsy because you lack experience. There are many resources to help you out. Have a cup of coffee with someone in your network that is knowledgeable.
Someone knows someone. Use that before you pay out money for an instructor.
I have one. It has 3 different round types: c/s round which will put a bear on the ground, Solid shot which stuns the hell out of a person, and practice round filled with powder. Each round is .68 caliber and hurts like hell.
It’s has mags holding 5 rounds. If you’re anywhere near the c/s round, you won’t be able to breath for 40 minutes. Yes, the perps will come back if you use this for home defense.
It shoots a .68 caliber round of variant types.
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