Posted on 04/02/2023 12:40:00 PM PDT by Mariner
“It has no Key, no Harmony, no Melody. And no discernible time signature or rhythm.”
Sounds like jazz to me.
My favorite story is Max Roach going and punching Ornette Coleman after hearing him play. Then turned up outside his hotel room at 4AM screaming “I know you’re up there, mother_________! Come down here and I’ll kick your ass!”
The Left claim ownership of the arts but they have corrupted the arts, from a crucifix dipped in a jar of urine (‘Piss Christ”) to crap coming out of Hollywood and the music industry to everything in between.
Leonard Bernstein had a high opinion of Coleman. I’m not sure why.
Good points.
I like Schoenberg, his earlier works more than the later.
5 pieces for Orchestra is a brilliant and influential work. I’ve listened to it dozens of times.
I like Schoenberg when he was kind of teetering on the brink of musical insanity, specifically Verlakte Nacht, Pelleas und Melisande, and his Symphonies for Chamber Orchestra 1 and 2.
Webern is a good listen. He paints a musical dreamscape with his music.
However, I think Alban Berg sucks.
Zappa said that for his relaxation he listened to Webern, and Zappa wrote a lot of 12 tone in his last few years. To me it’s uninspiring.
I almost forget: Stravinsky’s Aton starts tonally, descends quickly into hexachords, and finally devolves into 12 tone. I love that work, again I’ve listened to it dozens of times.
And I like some music that is just a hot mess, like Ives’ Scherzo Over the Pavements.
So…it’s not all the same. All the pieces I’ve sited are available on YT.
Aton = Agon. Damn auto spell.
Which song by Webern would you recommend as an intro?
And yet, even to tonal music lovers, Wagner is riveting.
I have DVD’s of most of Wagner’s operas. I run “Meistersinger” every New Years Day.
Well, the former is the primary exemplary album of modal jazz, although Davis himself is a foremost pioneer of the “cool” subgenre.
I prefer to point to the Ring operas as a general marker in history after which composition turned sour or unmarketable due to the grandiose scope of that work. Tristan was written during the same time and had some of the same disorientating features as the other operas.
Relevant words of the day! (political implied, sorry Mariner)
dis·ori·en·ta·ting
un·mar·ket·able
“I have DVD’s of most of Wagner’s operas.”
I just bought the Ring Cycle boxed set by the Met.
Simply wonderful.
Next: Tristan and Isolde.
I have the Met DVD with Jane Eaglin. Met audiences are notorious for applauding too soon, but they waited until Eaglin finished to go wild. I had to reach for my handkerchief at the end.
“I prefer to point to the Ring operas as a general marker in history after which composition turned sour or unmarketable due to the grandiose scope of that work.”
Meh.
Verdi continued to make great music. So too Mahler.
And the Chamber Music of Brahms is without peer.
The new gods replace the old.
The Pinnacle art form.
“Most difficult music to play”
The musicians play whatever gibberish they want and claim they played what was written lol
Mahler? Yes!
Brahms' chamber music is without peer because he was a ruthless self-critic. If it didn't meet his exacting standards, out it went, either into the fire for the morning, or to paper his bedroom. The Horn Trio and the Clarinet Quintet are monuments to composition.
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