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Actor/Filmmaker Seth Rogen Is Right That Not Having Kids Is Easier, But He’s Wrong About Everything Else
The Federalist ^ | 03/27/2023 | Rich Cromwell

Posted on 03/27/2023 9:08:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

He should listen to what he said in his film, ‘Knocked Up.’

Every now and again, people need to be reminded that children are not toasters. No, this isn’t about kids identifying as household appliances (yet) but about reducing life to cost-benefit analyses and about applying utilitarian arguments to the value of life. Utilitarian arguments almost always end in less life, but if people insist on being logical about becoming parents, there are also utilitarian arguments in favor of having kids. They aren’t the reason to have kids, as anything involving utilitarianism will go sideways, but becoming a parent is not as irrational as purported.

Apparently, Seth Rogen, who rose to fame by starring in a movie about settling into life as a responsible partner and father after slipping one past the goalie during a drunken tryst, has never experienced any of those counterarguments, nor did he listen to the lines he was saying in said movie.

Rogen, who is married without kids, recently explained the logical reasons he and his wife are glad they chose not to have them. And his reasons are logical! No parent will ever tell you that children are not time-consuming, expensive, and destructive. They definitely prevent you from doing things, buying things, and having things not get destroyed.

They also give you the opportunity to revisit books and movies you loved and watched when you were young. Doing so renews your love for those classics as you watch the next generation absorb them. Goonies never die, and the movie will always be fantastic, but watching it with an 8-year-old reminds you of what it was like to see it for the first time when you were his age. Likewise with reading “The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe” or “A Cajun Christmas.”

But from a utilitarian perspective, not having them also prevents you from doing things you might like to do. At least they prevent you from doing those things while avoiding appearing creepy or childish. You can continue telling fart jokes long after you should have stopped when you have kids, for example, which is something Rogen certainly enjoys. You can go to waterparks and interactive museums without people assuming you’re a predator. Because even if those places are cool, they are not cool places for middle-aged dudes to hang out.

Hearing the siren song of the ice cream truck a few streets over excites you again. Explaining the intricacies of “Looney Tunes” gives you the chance to appear delightfully wise. In this way, kids counterintuitively connect you to your past, even if it was, like, a really long time ago. Nostalgia is best in small doses, though. That’s not a reason to have kids.

The real benefit is in the new things, like teaching them how to use a hammer or cook a meal or load the dishwasher. Even though those lessons require cleaning up the tornado-level damage that occurs when preparing something complicated like rice, they quickly make your life easier as they start to become independent and take things off your plate.

Not that anyone thinks about school-aged kids or teenagers. All the arguments against becoming a parent boil down to babies, and babies are labor intensive, but they do grow up. While this results in them getting less cute, they do gain the ability to do things like running to the grocery store for a gallon of milk or to Target to pick up the printer ink. They can walk the dog and take out the trash. They can organize the pantry and clean out the fridge. The older ones can look after and cook for the younger ones, freeing you up. They can fight, viciously — though that isn’t very useful, so forget I mentioned it.

More important than the way they connect you to the past, though, and from a less utilitarian angle, is that children are the future. No, not in the “We Are the World” sense, but in that they are your bridge to tomorrow. They are your legacy, particularly if, like most of us, you are not going to live for earthly eternity in glory or infamy. 

Children are a reason to build. They are the impetus for cultivating beauty and greatness, for creating durable foundations. They are the why when it comes to thinking about what the world will be like after we’re gone. And if we do it right, they will be the reason we get to spoil grandkids while our own progeny worries about finances and finding time to sleep and family heirlooms being destroyed. 

All we have to do is just do it, figuratively and literally, and enjoy what comes next, whether it’s laughing at a fart joke, buying a Bomb Pop, or both. Utilitarian? Maybe, if you squint just right, but utilitarianism is for suckers anyway. So just let go, say “Hakuna Matata,” and be glad your parents were not so calculating.

For as Rogen’s character said in “Knocked Up,” when explaining to his daughter how she came to be, “Mommy said ‘just do it already!’ which was very confusing to Daddy, so I took the most literal translation. But between you and me, it was the smartest thing I ever did ’cause now you’re here.”


Richard Cromwell is a writer and senior contributor at The Federalist. He lives in Northwest Arkansas with his wife, three daughters, and two crazy dogs. Co-host of the podcast Coffee & Cochon, you can find him on Facebook and Twitter, though you should probably avoid using social media.


TOPICS: Society; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: children; richcromwell; sethrogen

1 posted on 03/27/2023 9:08:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Only men today are considered disposable appliances.


2 posted on 03/27/2023 9:12:32 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: SeekAndFind

And yet, when his liberal wrinkled ass needs taking care of, he’ll be relying on my kids to do it.


3 posted on 03/27/2023 9:12:35 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: SeekAndFind

On an individual level, the world should applaud Seth Rogen’s decision.


4 posted on 03/27/2023 9:14:36 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (“You want it one way, but it's the other way”)
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To: SeekAndFind

I remember at the time many of us here praised “Knocked Up” for its stance against abortion.


5 posted on 03/27/2023 9:15:52 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hopefully that fat slob never reproduces.


6 posted on 03/27/2023 9:35:57 AM PDT by TexasM1A
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To: Secret Agent Man

Thanks for the post! To me, life can only be understood from a biblical perspective.
Marriage is a picture of Christ and his bride. In the end, it’s not about us or our happiness (though often that comes the experience) but about a spiritual transformation that Christ is attempting to bring about in our lives. No one fulfills that role perfectly, but it’s the goal to shoot for. Marriage isn’t easy. I think that’s part of the plan. To make us more like the Savior. We can’t do it without his help. Children are a blessing and often a trial. There are great highs and low lows. Again, the goal is to make us less selfish, more loving, more humble, more Christ like. It often feels like rubbing sandpaper in an open wound. But, over time, and with a dependence on God’s Spirit, we can make progress. Like the scripture states the struggle against our old nature and sin, with God’s help, produces in us the peaceful fruit of righteousness. My wife and I celebrated our 50th anniversary last July. We have three grown children and 7 grandkids. There were days (ok week/months) when I thought of walking away. I know my wife had those same thoughts as well. Today I’m grateful neither of us did - and I know my kids and grandkids are as well. In the end it comes down to who and what are you living for. The self life just doesn’t seem to end well or produce individuals of character. This life will end for all of us but there is a better one coming. Hopefully, you’re attempting to live with eternity’s values in view. One day it will be worth all the sacrifices.

“But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.”


7 posted on 03/27/2023 10:24:58 AM PDT by Lake Living
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To: SeekAndFind

Only a tragic fool doesn’t have kids if they can: kids are wonderful, enjoyable treasures. If you can’t hack having kids, you had to have been dropped on your head when you were a kid.

Nothing else fills your life like your kids and every experience you give them Is like reliving your youth all over. Our ancestors had kids and we resulted from their labors. It’s our turn.


8 posted on 03/27/2023 10:58:09 AM PDT by Chainmail (Harrassment, to be effective, must be continuous.)
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To: Lake Living

Wow!


9 posted on 03/27/2023 11:47:45 AM PDT by waterhill (All you need is a Catahoula and an 870)
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To: SeekAndFind

He keeps them in his basement, kids that is, according to Hollywood insider, rest his soul. Dead like Epstien.


10 posted on 03/27/2023 4:22:49 PM PDT by norsky ( <P> <a href= > <hi/a> <P><img src=" "width=500"></img>)
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To: Lake Living

I am a Christian. I understand the the symbology.

We are warned not to marry unbelievers. Men shouldn’t marry women who have been run through by dozens of guys. Modern women are not Christian traditional women. They do not make good wives. Its not our job to marry them when 80% of the time they destroy the family and government rewards them for doing so.

In other words men shouldn’t settle for modern women and unbiblical marriage that comes with them.

Apart from the state of women ann marriage today, men do not need marriage. Marriage is and always has been, insurance for women. There are no benefits for men marrying modern women today. All the risk is on the man, society doesnt care about what happens to him if the woman decides to bail. He is the biggest loser, his standard of living goes down, and his finances get crushed. If kids zre involved he loses his kids. He becomes a slave, being sent to debtors prison if he cannot pay his ex while she screws around with another guy. The marrige is over but she still has access to his wallet. Does the man still have access to his ex’s body, the only unique thing she brought to the marriage? Nope.


11 posted on 03/27/2023 6:07:34 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I’m not disagreeing with a lot of what you wrote. Government has all but destroy marriage and the deck has been stacked against men. I have 3 adult kids. My daughter never married (she’s a bit on the autism spectrum) but both my sons married foreign women (both believers). I do know there are still good Christian women available here in the U.S. but, yes, they are getting harder to find - just like real Christians are. Our world is definitely growing darker and our nation along with it. Very discouraging.


12 posted on 03/28/2023 7:58:48 PM PDT by Lake Living
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To: Lake Living

It is discouraging. All the more reason not to encourage men to get married, it turns them into slaves and they actuzlly lose a great deal of personal power and are the only ones that have anything to lose by it. If you care about your sons you don’t encourage them to get married to a modern woman in a gynocentric country.

Only reason why your sons are ok is they married foreign women. However if they moved them out of their countries to America, they soon will be problems as they will become Americanized and that will bring trouble.


13 posted on 03/28/2023 8:03:58 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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