Posted on 03/12/2023 6:16:24 AM PDT by fluorescence
The week of last Thanksgiving, Michael Larkin, a business owner in Hamilton, Ohio, picked up his phone and answered a call. It was the local police, and they wanted footage from Larkin’s front door camera.
Larkin had a Ring video doorbell, one of the more than 10 million Americans with the Amazon-owned product installed at their front doors. His doorbell was among 21 Ring cameras in and around his home and business, picking up footage of Larkin, neighbors, customers and anyone else near his house.
The police said they were conducting a drug-related investigation on a neighbor, and they wanted videos of “suspicious activity” between 5 and 7 p.m. one night in October. Larkin cooperated, and sent clips of a car that drove by his Ring camera more than 12 times in that time frame.
He thought that was all the police would need. Instead, it was just the beginning.
They asked for more footage, now from the entire day’s worth of records. And a week later, Larkin received a notice from Ring itself: The company had received a warrant, signed by a local judge. The notice informed him it was obligated to send footage from more than 20 cameras — whether or not Larkin was willing to share it himself.
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This time, Larkin wasn’t able to choose which cameras he could send videos from. The warrant included all five of his outdoor cameras, and also added a sixth camera that was inside his house, as well as any videos from cameras associated with his account, which would include the cameras in his store. It would include footage recorded from cameras he had in his living room and bedroom, as well as the 13 cameras he had installed at his store associated with his account.
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But the videos are still stored in the cloud.
If I had a camera system, it would all be spooled locally and would not be uploaded onto any computer outside of my local network. If you don’t physically control the data, it’s simply not yours.
You think the company doesn't back up your data?
Deleting it will have no effect on the power of the all-powerful state to get anything at all that it wants.
When you step outside in your shorts the doorbell camera records all. Then it is uploaded to the internet for all to see.... : )
But doesn’t mean this is right.
If you know that video from your home cameras is being stored somewhere else, you are a fool to expect any 4th amendment privacy.
I will NEVER use a Security System that I don’t fully control the recorded information.
“That’s what happens when you buy convenience.”
They sure sucked us in with that whole cell phone thing. We were babes in the woods then. Who knew...?
“Ring will delete them automatically.”
Maybe like how your files disappear when you delete them from your computer. They don’t disappear. Some forensics guy can put them back together.
“She’s looking at ‘BernieDoodles’”
A neighbor walks her BernieDoodle every day. Absolutely gorgeous dog!!
This time, Larkin wasn’t able to choose which cameras he could send videos from. The warrant included all five of his outdoor cameras, and also added a sixth camera that was inside his house, as well as any videos from cameras associated with his account, which would include the cameras in his store. It would include footage recorded from cameras he had in his living room and bedroom, as well as the 13 cameras he had installed at his store associated with his account.
Do you see the problem now?
Yes..... however, I see the solution as turning over those on the exterior and not those unrelated to the problem from the interior.
Read it again ... the jackboot crowd gave him no choice in the matter; the owners of the server will turn over EVERYTHING the jackboots demand.
When your data are on somebody else’s server, they’re no longer your data.
Act accordingly.
I never really wanted one, I never had the desire— my husband thought it was a good idea.
We no longer have a landline and the phones are nice in the event of car trouble, travel etc.
I didn’t suspect all that it has become but I did believe portable phones cut into time and privacy, plus I really don’t enjoy talking on the phone. :p
I have a smart phone, which I hate.
Hubby has an old flip phone, which he hates.
No landline any more — but I would like to have one again!
Me too!
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