Posted on 03/12/2023 6:16:24 AM PDT by fluorescence
The week of last Thanksgiving, Michael Larkin, a business owner in Hamilton, Ohio, picked up his phone and answered a call. It was the local police, and they wanted footage from Larkin’s front door camera.
Larkin had a Ring video doorbell, one of the more than 10 million Americans with the Amazon-owned product installed at their front doors. His doorbell was among 21 Ring cameras in and around his home and business, picking up footage of Larkin, neighbors, customers and anyone else near his house.
The police said they were conducting a drug-related investigation on a neighbor, and they wanted videos of “suspicious activity” between 5 and 7 p.m. one night in October. Larkin cooperated, and sent clips of a car that drove by his Ring camera more than 12 times in that time frame.
He thought that was all the police would need. Instead, it was just the beginning.
They asked for more footage, now from the entire day’s worth of records. And a week later, Larkin received a notice from Ring itself: The company had received a warrant, signed by a local judge. The notice informed him it was obligated to send footage from more than 20 cameras — whether or not Larkin was willing to share it himself.
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This time, Larkin wasn’t able to choose which cameras he could send videos from. The warrant included all five of his outdoor cameras, and also added a sixth camera that was inside his house, as well as any videos from cameras associated with his account, which would include the cameras in his store. It would include footage recorded from cameras he had in his living room and bedroom, as well as the 13 cameras he had installed at his store associated with his account.
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At that point you have to wonder what it is that the police and the judge are trying to cover up?
Videos from Ring cameras are stored on Ring's servers unless you download them to your local computer.
Another option is to simply set the video storage time in the Ring dashboard to 14 days and Ring will delete them automatically.
“I don’t have one of those elite “doorbells”. I have a real door bell.”
Old school, excellent. On the other hand, might be good to get some warning if any of Obama’s sons come looking for reparations and forget to use the doorbell.
Keep the weapons close at hand, be sure they can get inside. ;-D
It uploads to the cloud. There ain’t no “deleting it”.
>I don’t see a problem.
Give the cops the videos they need to convict a drug dealing neighbor.<
Then I’m guessing you don’t have a problem with the likes of Peter Strzok seeing everything that happens between you and your wife in the bedroom.
I see no conceivable reason to have to cede footage from the interior of a building -livingroom and bedroom- when the suspect is a neighbor.
EC
The only way this would work is if Larkin was subscribed to Ring Alarm Pro and had an SD card installed in his Ring Base station.
Otherwise all video is stored on Ring's own servers unless they're manually downloaded to his local computer.
Also, you can set the Video Storage Time for each camera in the Ring dashboard. Any videos older than this is automatically deleted.
The privacy loophole in your doorbell
Your papers please
The problem is the overreach on the warrant asking for inside his house and store.
A lot to unpack there and lucky I don’t have the time to do it.
What was the point of having a camera in the bedroom in the first place?
When you get all these cameras (I have plenty myself), you can’t help knowing how they work. They upload. Out of your hands. To other eyes. What they record becomes accessible to you-know-not-whom.
Don’t yelp about it when the authorities want to see it for their authority reasons. You knew what you were giving up (privacy) when you bought the gadgets.
Seriously, if you don’t know beans about electronic privacy, don’t do electronics, or don’t do privacy.
Only an idiot trusts other people with their private data.
Sorry officer, I USED TO have Ring cameras, but I took them with me fishing and now they are at the bottom of a lake.
The cops have a warrant for ALL of the videos including bedroom ones.
Give the cops the videos they need to convict a drug dealing neighbor.
The problem as I see it is that, after initial cooperation, he gets a court order for all his cameras. I understand cameras which may have a view of the areas related to the neighbor's house (target of investigation) but they also wanted data from cameras inside his own house and at his place of business which was nowhere near the neighbor's house and would have no value to the purported investigation.
You can cooperate all you want. But when the government starts demanding access to your private life for no legitimate reason, it's time to raise the red flag.
Enjoy the world you have wrought, Pollutico.
I hate my phone although it makes a good Walkman.
Over 26 years we've had a blue merle Cattle Dog and a blue merle Aussie for watch dogs with doggie door access off the porch to the whole property. Great alarm systems in our wooded area.
Even if they were subpoenaed they wouldn't tell the cops where I keep my guns or anything for that matter. ;-)
Looking for another dog now. Stated rule is we each have an absolute veto on a pup.
She's looking at "BernieDoodles"? - only $2500+. Sigh. Less dog hair around I guess. I'm leaning to another cattle dog. Short hair for easy burr removal, can handle the Florida heat, very alert and a convincing bark backed with muscle.
We have a Ring camera doorbell and also the wife has one in the living room on the mantle.
I’m sure the Ring people enjoy seeing me walk through in my boxers and sometimes naked.
I wouldn’t have any of these if it weren’t for the wife… also with me having to travel for work, it gives her peace of mind along with her pistol.
If you are stupid enough to link anything to any “cloud” service you have given up any right to any level of privacy. It is like putting stuff on Facebook/Instagram/TTok/etc. They own your data.
Locally share it. Only local. If that means you cannot peek at it from your asinine phone while at work, tough. If worried about what is going on at your house go talk to a neighbor and set up a deal with them.
My “doorbell” is the old farm bell mounted by the front door. A visitor pulls the rope that rings the bell and it clangs loudly. My door “peep hole” is the window near the door. Both have served me well for over 35 years and neither have ever spied on me.
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