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1 posted on 02/13/2023 5:01:07 AM PST by MtnClimber
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There are three main arguments in the article. I could only fit two within the 300-word limit. Please read the rest before starting a flame war and getting the post pulled.


2 posted on 02/13/2023 5:01:16 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber; Fred Nerks

Question , why was the USA funding six virus gain of function research facilities in Ukraine?

Why did the USA deny earlier entry of Ukraine into NATO while firming up lucrative trade toes with Russia like Trump was planning?

Its simple, the Dems have not gotten over how Putin stopped Obama’s Arab Spring cold in Syria, it was a refuigee exodus of Muslims aimed at the soft underbelly of Europe, including Russia. Putin was having none of it. Putin bent Obama over and reamed him like a raped ape.

Yes, Bioden caused this war on purpose, which is why he yanked America OUT of Afghanistan. abandoning America
s allies there.

Yes, this is Biden’s war,. and many leftists are becoming millionaires with the vafrious slices of the Ukraine supply pie. MArtha’s Vinyard is getting full of lefty mansions. Maybe due for a little balloon therapy.


3 posted on 02/13/2023 5:15:18 AM PST by Candor7 ( ( Ask not for whom THE Trump trolls...He trolls for thee!))
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It is not debatable what created the conditions for conflict, nor is it debatable that supporting uke aligns with globalists and democrats.

There are some awfully conflicted souls here at FR.


4 posted on 02/13/2023 5:19:03 AM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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Rubble and Rhetoric
Many People Died for Nothing [in Ukraine]
Feb 8

https://deepdivewithleeslusher.substack.com/p/rubble-and-rhetoric

Excellent article by Lee Slusher on Deep Dive. Long read, but well worth it. Very highly recommended.

Naturally, the low-IQ FR poop-flingers will condemn it without reading it.


5 posted on 02/13/2023 5:22:32 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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I think you can make a rational argument for the war from many perspectives. As I have aged, I have become more cynical about such things and just say this:

It’s about Money.

The Uniparty had a money laundering scheme in Ukraine, and they wanted to protect it. The Russians saw the resources, food, titanium, and oil and gas (new discoveries) and saw profit if they could control them.

My theory ignores things like: state security, NAZI’s, CIA,


6 posted on 02/13/2023 5:23:14 AM PST by Pete Dovgan
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Putin saw his 70th birthday approaching. He had lived beyond the 68 year male Russian life span. Putin was alive beyond his expiry date.

He determined that his opportunity for replacing the lost buffer from Euro attack was upon him. It was now or never. He ordered the war on Ukraine

Once he began losing he ordered the war crimes to begin.


7 posted on 02/13/2023 5:29:36 AM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day )
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Food for thought, maybe even open discussion if this war hadn’t already been so strongly polarized by the wastestream media and WEF/globalists/NEOCON profiteers.

Or, to quote one of America’s 1960’s-era peaceniks:

”There’s battle lines being drawn
And nobody’s right if everybody’s wrong
Young people speakin’ their minds
A-gettin’ so much resistance from behind”

(©1966 Buffalo Springfield, Stephen Stills)

[enter the anti-Putin ‘bots in 3…2…1…]


8 posted on 02/13/2023 5:31:12 AM PST by normbal (normbal. somewhere in socialist occupied America ‘tween MD and TN)
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“The other thread is about the destabilizing changes that took place in Ukraine after a stridently anti-Russia nationalist movement took power there in 2014. That event sparked a civil war between the government and the Russian-speaking population in the eastern, or Donbas, part of the country.”

I'm glad he mentioned this part.

10 posted on 02/13/2023 5:33:24 AM PST by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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foreign policy elites on both sides of the Atlantic...The anti-war view is in the minority; it has no standing among foreign policy elites

So it's in the minority? When did we vote?

And the "foreign policy elites"?

Maybe we should just follow the science.

11 posted on 02/13/2023 5:34:45 AM PST by Jim Noble (You have sat too long for any good you have been doing)
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The second argument has tentacles further back. The foundation was laid when Russia and the West guaranteed Ukrainian sovereignty in exchange for Ukraine turning over nuclear and other weapons. This proved to be a false promise when the Russians moved in anyway.


12 posted on 02/13/2023 5:44:33 AM PST by Ingtar
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Stealing natural gas played a role.


13 posted on 02/13/2023 5:55:36 AM PST by PAR35
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Russian aggression, Biden weakness, deep state desire for perpetual war.


16 posted on 02/13/2023 6:10:45 AM PST by TiGuy22
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pure bunk

putin started his war by bombing Ukraine. If he stops, the war will end


23 posted on 02/13/2023 6:51:33 AM PST by Sunsong
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