Posted on 01/30/2023 12:37:10 PM PST by MarMema
It has been almost a year since Russia launched its “special military operation” in Ukraine. For many of our friends in Eastern Europe, I’m sure it feels like a lifetime.
Still, it’s easy to forget that this conflict really began in 2014, when separatists in Donetsk and Luhansk declared their independence from Kiev. (Then, as now, the separatists were backed by Moscow.) That same year, Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine.
Since Russia invaded Ukraine’s core territory last year, Kiev and its allies have been adamant on one point: Whatever else happens in the course of this war, they will not accept the independence of Donetsk and Luhansk. Now, Kiev is upping the ante. Last week the New York Times reported that the United States may supply Ukraine with arms to retake Crimea as well.
We can argue about whether that goal is feasible, or even possible. But we should be absolutely clear about one thing: If Ukraine retakes Crimea—or Luhansk, or Donetsk—they will do so, not as liberators, but as conquerors.
Long before Russia invaded Ukraine, it was clear that Crimeans themselves overwhelmingly desired to join Russia. An official 1994 referendum found that nearly 80 percent of Crimeans desired greater regional autonomy. That same year, however, Yuriy Meshkov was elected President of Crimea with 72 percent of the vote. His campaign had only one major plank: unity with Russia.
The government in Kiev responded to the referendum, not by granting more autonomy to Crimea, but by scrapping their constitution, taking away whatever autonomy they once had. Ukraine also abolished the office of President of Crimea, arrested Meshkov, and exiled him to Russia.
If anything, Ukraine’s crackdown on Crimea increased locals’ desire to join Russia. A 2014 referendum found that 96 percent of the public supported the annexation. The results were understandably disputed, given that Russian troops had already begun to occupy Crimea. But when Gallup conducted a poll the following year, they found that over 80 percent of respondents felt the referendum was accurate.
Again: The overwhelming majority of Crimeans want to be part of Russia.
The same is true of Luhansk and Donetsk. In 2019, the Kyiv Post, a pro-Western newspaper, found that just five percent of residents hoped Ukraine would retake the region. And while the separatist armies are officially fighting for independence, that outcome is desired by only sixteen percent of the public. A majority—over 60 percent—want to join the Russian Federation.
Really, this isn’t at all surprising. Crimea and the Donbas (the easternmost part of Ukraine, which contains Donetsk and Luhansk) are ethnically Russian. They speak Russian. Most of them are Russian Orthodox Christians. Historically, those regions belonged to the Russian Empire. Its sons fought in the Russian Army. They were loyal to the Russian tsar. Now, they would rather be part of Russia again. Is that really so surprising?
More to the point, why should we stop them?
Kiev would point out that the 1994 Budapest Memorandum—to which Moscow was a party—guarantees that these regions belong to the Republic of Ukraine. And that’s true. But what about their right to self-determination? Don’t the people of Crimea and Donbas get a say?
You would think any objective observer would say that the Memorandum was a bad idea. If the local populations want to be part of Russia, they shouldn’t be forced to join Ukraine.
Put it this way: Imagine if the United States signed a treaty saying that Mexico could occupy Texas. The majority of Texans oppose the treaty. They do not want to be Mexican. They don’t speak Spanish. Culturally, they’re American. They’ve always considered themselves American. They fought in the U. S. Army—as did their fathers, and their grandfathers, and their great-grandfathers.
True: Historically, Texas was part of Mexico. But that was back when Mexico was rather an ill-defined concept. And, anyway, they’ve been part of the United States for much longer.
Now say that Texans were taking up arms in a bid to rejoin the United States, and Washington was backing them up. Would there be any sense in starting a new World War to defend Mexico’s claim to Texas?
And if Mexico went to war with the United States to assert that claim, would they be considered liberators—or conquerors?
Let’s recap. For nearly ten years, Ukraine has been fighting to suppress these popular revolts in Crimea and the Donbas. What should the United States do?
A realist would argue that we should do nothing. This is an Eastern European dispute. It’s none of our business.
Presumably, an idealist—a believer in nation-building, “Wars of Democracy,” etc.—would argue that we should back Russia’s claim to Crimea and the Donbas. The people of those regions want to be Russian. They are Russian, in every sense except their nationality. Kiev should not force them to remain under its jurisdiction.
Why on earth would anyone argue that we should support Ukraine’s claim? There’s only one possible answer. The United States simply wants to hobble Russia.
I’m not trying to justify Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, or any crimes that they have committed over the last eleven months. But, once again, the overwhelming majority of eastern Ukrainians want to join Russia. Many thousands of them are willing to fight and die for that cause. The idea of the United States actively supporting Kiev’s occupation of these provinces—of sending them weapons, which they will use to suppress the popular will—is morally repugnant.
Ukraine’s treatment of Crimea and the Donbas is wrong. So is Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The United States should therefore insist that Kiev allow Crimea, Luhansk, and Donetsk to determine their own fates—while insisting that Russia allow Ukraine to do the same. Otherwise, we can never hope to be more than the lesser of two evils.
Regarding Crimea, who actually knows since there certainly have not been anything like free and fair elections since Russia's takeover. As far as booting the Russian population out, it seems like fair play given Moscow's tradition of replacing the local populations in its empires with Russians.
“Putin’s alchemy has transmuted millions of Russian speakers into ardent Ukrainians.”
So very true.
I remember speaking to Ukrainians in Warsaw back in 2010-2012 and all were pretty meh about national identity.
But Putin’s invasion has made them ardent Ukrainians
Were they majority Russian before the war? NO. All these regions of Ukraine(Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson), except Crimea are MAJORITY Ukrainian. Language does not always correspond to national identity. Something Putin and fellow Russians cannot seem to understand.
Russian troops appear to open fire on Ukrainian protesters in occupied-Kherson
“Were they majority Russian before the war? NO.”
Actually they were.
What makes you think otherwise?
🇵🇱Megalomania and corruption have brought Ukraine to a deplorable state, the ex-Foreign Minister of Poland believes.
In an interview with Krytyka Polityczna, Radoslav Sikorsky noted that the Ukrainian elites hid their corruption behind stories about a big game with the USA, Russia, China and Europe and wasted time.
The former Foreign Minister recalled that after leaving the USSR, Ukraine was in a better condition than Poland due to fertile lands, nuclear power plants and the aircraft industry. And by the beginning of the special operation, its GDP was already four times less than the Polish one.
Ukrainians now have to pay dearly for the actions of the current government, Sikorsky summed up.
Earlier, he stated that in the early days of the special military operation, Poland was considering the option of dividing Ukraine.
Of course no American war has ever been about economics, WE fight for Principle only.
The Ukrainians also engaged in widespread ethnic cleansing in Odessa, Kharkov, etc. The neoliberal USA regime provided tacit approval- this are the same tactics that have been employed against Serbians in “Kosovo” and Bosnia.
🇮🇩 Anti-war rally in Poland.
They demand to stop dragging Poland into the war.
https://t.me/fr0m_Russia_with_L0ve/15331
Putin’s annexation of Eastern Ukrainian territories has put Crimea back on the table.
It demoted Crimea from the unique status of “voluntarily associated part of Russia” to just another territory in the list of Russian land grabs in violation of the treaties signed and acknowledged by Putin.
The West’s grudging acceptance of the fact from 2014 is now gone.
It was 44% pro Russian before Putin invaded in 2014.
Residents of Kupyansk await the return of the Russian army
The correspondent of The Economist visited the Kharkiv region and talked with people living there.
▪️The publication reports that people are filming the Ukrainian military on camera and tracking the movements of representatives of the administration.
▪️Residents of Kupyansk try to watch Russian channels that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are unable to drown out, the journalist says.
The Economist correspondent notes that the majority of the region’s residents have always been pro-Russian.
▪️ Of the 214 members of the local city council, 200 people left for Russia with Russian troops before the arrival of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Some of them maintain relations with local pro-Russian activists and provide news to the population.
https://t.me/fr0m_Russia_with_L0ve/15310
Actually they were.
What makes you think otherwise?
Perhaps the facts:
Share of ethnic ukrainians among the population of Ukraine, census 2001
Russian fake news.
Russians in Putin’s Russia are liars. No wonder honest Russians, 1 million of them, have fled Russia since march 2022
Why isn’t that young man protesting on the tank in the military fighting for The Zelenskyy?
🇮🇩 The Polish brothers are tired of friendship with Ukrainians and use their flag for the stove.
Great video.
https://t.me/fr0m_Russia_with_L0ve/15246
One would think the number of Ukrainian army volunteers and conscripts from Donbass would be much greater than the number of DPR/LHR militia…right
Fighting for liberation
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