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The Operation was a Success, but the Patient Died
Self | 01/13/22 | CharlesOconnell

Posted on 01/13/2023 8:31:03 AM PST by CharlesOConnell

In spite of "news" that seem to show that Russia is losing and Putin is about to die and be overthrown (maybe they'll dig him up and execute him), are you prepared for "Oceania has always been at war with EastAsia", that is, to hear, amazingly, that Russia won?

A news source continually pricking the soap bubble that Zelinskiyy is winning, is the British based Alexander Mercouris, whose vlog entries are extremely long, but who is only reporting open news sources which, however, are not censored U.S. "news".


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To: pierrem15

>Wagner or not, the corpses are coming out of Russia’s pool of military aged males. And I doubt the defenders are suffering anywhere near the casualties that Wagner is suffering.

Well, the problem is that neither side is honest about the war, but from what I’ve seen Wagner is doing the heavy lifting in Soledad and Bahkmut. The Russians have withdrawn most of their troops to artillery service. The Ukrainians are losing troops precipitously, and I expect that in a week or so you’ll see the Russians feint a big defeat and then the second wave of Russian attack will begin.

I just want this war to end. Pointless death.


21 posted on 01/13/2023 10:10:23 AM PST by struggle
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To: silverleaf
The Ukrainians don't seem to be lacking in desire to continue the fight, so I don't think this is simply the US or London pushing them to do something they do not wish to do. I think the history of trying to do that from the Kuomintang to Afghanistan shows that Ukraine is quite different.

And it's also not just London and and Washington: Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Sweden and Finland are also doing a lot to help Ukraine. The main impediment has been and remains German foot-dragging, which given the SPD's deep ideological hatred of the US and financial ties to Russia and the German attitude to restart business by conceding as much of Ukraine to Russia as they may is hardly surprising.

The whole raison d'etre of the Grosse Koalition for twenty years was the ruthless pursuit of political and economic gains by the German elites at the expense of their European neighbors and the US.

22 posted on 01/13/2023 10:17:04 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: Ancesthntr

“Every war that Russia has fought in the last few centuries has been an utter disaster for them in the first year. After that, they adapt. That, plus numbers, and sometimes General Winter, usually end up winning the war for them.”

I think you have to make a distinction between the types of wars that Russia fights and the results they achieve. Most of the really major conflicts that they fought and won where either fought defensively, or against a smaller nation with no significant allies, or, when fighting a strong country or alliance, Russia had the support of one or more great powers on its side as well. Those are the kinds of situations that resulted in Russian victories.

Russia has fought a few conflicts that didn’t fit those conditions, such as the Russo-Japanese war, which resulted in an embarrassing defeat, and the Crimean war, which also resulted in a defeat. I’d say the current war fits those second set of conditions better than the first.


23 posted on 01/13/2023 10:19:22 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Ancesthntr
Every war that Russia has fought in the last few centuries has been an utter disaster for them in the first year. After that, they adapt. That, plus numbers, and sometimes General Winter, usually end up winning the war for them.

They lost WWI, decisively.

They lost in Afghanistan, decisively.

They lost the Cold war, decisively (you may claim it wasn't a real war, but Korea, Vietnam, Nicaraugua, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, and Poland show otherwise) They were proxy wars, much as Ukraine is a proxy war, only the USA is playing the role of Russia in Korea...

24 posted on 01/13/2023 10:20:19 AM PST by marktwain
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To: CharlesOConnell

“Alexander forgot to open with “Good Day” yesterday...”

Yep, perhaps Covid?


25 posted on 01/13/2023 10:21:55 AM PST by BobL
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To: Louis Foxwell

“Alexander Mercouris is one of a very few commentators who understands the conflict and is willing to report objectively.”

True, and he even reports bad news for Russia, which seems confirmed at the time, but then winds up being not nearly as bad. To put it another way, while he’s, obviously, not a Ukraine fan, he’s also not a paid shill for Russia, since he’s willing to report bad news on them (such as when they had to run back in the north last summer).


26 posted on 01/13/2023 10:25:13 AM PST by BobL
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To: struggle
I just want this war to end. Pointless death.

Hardly pointless for the Ukrainians.

And the Wagnerites were thrown in because of high casualties and reluctance to fight by the regular army. So if they run out of Wagnerites, I'm not sure the regular army will fight any better.

27 posted on 01/13/2023 10:26:53 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: CharlesOConnell

Sure. Ukraine is winning. Ignore they are now in the dark. Ignore they could not last a week without U.S. taxpayer billions of dollars. Ignore Zelensky desperate for more weapons and money. That is winning?

The Ukraine cheerleaders on this site are laughable.

Those living in Eastern Ukraine are tied to Russia by culture and language. Those in West Ukraine are tied culturally to Poland, Romania, Hungary or Slovakia. They are not all a culturally unified people.

The present Ukraine government is a corrupt dictatorship. Opposition to Zelensky has been outlawed. Russian Orthodox churches have been raided and outlawed. TV stations in opposition have been shut down.

Zelensky is the Al Capone of Ukraine. He is a gangster pushing forward to fatten his own wallet. He owns mansions in Florida and Italy. His parents live in a mansion in Israel. This scoundrel is not a “man of the people.” He is milking the USA for mountains of money.

Ukraine has no strategic value to the American people. It is not a member of NATO. It is universally known as one of the most corrupt nations on Earth. Ukraine is none of America’s business. It is not worth a single drop of American blood. Period.


28 posted on 01/13/2023 11:03:28 AM PST by Gnome1949
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To: pierrem15

>Hardly pointless for the Ukrainians.

Yes, it is. They’re going to lose the Dombas and all the money will be funneled away to nowhere. These dreams of retaking East Ukraine are impossible now that AZOV and the other Banderites are breaking rocks in Siberia.

It’s just sad that we’re still doing the Obama thing of paying for revolutions that get hundreds of thousands killed.


29 posted on 01/13/2023 11:15:45 AM PST by struggle
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To: CharlesOConnell

In a war of attrition the Ukraine bleeds out first.


30 posted on 01/13/2023 11:38:17 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again," )
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To: Dr. Franklin

“It is painful to listen to this guy, so I don’t.”

Try “Fox and Friends”. You can sleep right through it and not miss a thing. No thinking required.


31 posted on 01/13/2023 12:04:43 PM PST by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with an ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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To: Chunga85
Try “Fox and Friends”. You can sleep right through it and not miss a thing. No thinking required.

Isn't that the one where they have Ainsley Earhardt on the couch with the camera pointing up her skirt, so she needs to keep her legs crossed the whole show? The point of that isn't intelligent conversation. I was referring to how painful it is to listen to a homosexual sounding lisping Brit, who can't say anything succinctly.
32 posted on 01/13/2023 12:10:33 PM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: struggle

Some of the Azov defenders are back in Kiev after swaps. And the Ukrainians do not seem to have any shortage of replacements.


33 posted on 01/13/2023 12:12:54 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: Dr. Franklin

I don’t know I don’t watch. I’ll have to disagree with you, completely, and leave it there.


34 posted on 01/13/2023 12:13:21 PM PST by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with an ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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To: Chunga85

35 posted on 01/13/2023 12:14:55 PM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: pierrem15

>And the Ukrainians do not seem to have any shortage of replacements.

Dunno about that. Their troop rotations are getting less and less.


36 posted on 01/13/2023 12:45:50 PM PST by struggle
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To: Chunga85
"Here is a link to Alexander Mercouris’ video from yesterday."
Long, and he wiggles around a lot; but always worth listening to and considering. I take everything I hear on the Web with a grain of salt, but he certainly can't be considered uninformed.
37 posted on 01/13/2023 3:30:41 PM PST by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: Macoozie
"Ukraine is the Globalists Cash Cow."
How do we depopulate? Ask Gates: vaccines, starvation (Ukrainian bread basket), small wars, birth control....
Buy bags of rice, but in into sealed containers like empty milk jars and put it in your attic with rat poison. Ever few months take a jug out to eat and replace. You may need it. Hopefully they won't come for it like the Soviets did in the Holodomor. "The carbon they want to get rid of is you."
38 posted on 01/13/2023 4:01:36 PM PST by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: CharlesOConnell

Putin croaked last month. What you see is his body double. Who is so good, he has Prigozhin and Shoigu fooled.


39 posted on 01/13/2023 4:04:36 PM PST by dennisw ("You don't have to like it. You just have to do it")
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To: Macoozie
"Ukraine is the Globalists Cash Cow."
It is also one of the "bread baskets" of the world. If you want to depopulate the world with starvation, it's a good place to start. Other wheat producer of the world can be eliminating nitrogen fertilizer. Too many damned middle-class people using up resources better reserved fot the elite.
40 posted on 01/13/2023 4:19:42 PM PST by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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