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There’s A Reason Moving In Before Marriage Makes Divorce More Likely, But Barstool Can’t Figure It Out
The Federalist ^ | 01/09/2023 | Elle Purnell

Posted on 01/09/2023 9:17:23 AM PST by SeekAndFind

First comes love, then comes an indeterminate period of conveniently living together to decide whether your partner’s dishwasher-loading habits are a dealbreaker, then comes marriage.

Today a lot of young daters assume moving in together is a prerequisite for matrimonial success. But it actually hikes up a couple’s proclivity toward divorce compared to spouses who wed without first cohabitating — a statistic that shocked hosts Jordyn Woodruff and Alex Bennett of Barstool Sports’ “Mean Girl” podcast in Wednesday’s episode.

“Couples who live together before marrying have nearly an 80 percent higher divorce rate than those who do not,” Bennett noted incredulously.

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“Which is crazy because you’d think you’d be the opposite,” Woodruff responded. “I lived with my boyfriend of five years and we broke up because we knew we weren’t compatible because we lived together.”

“Because living together is the way you find out,” Bennett added, even though, as she noted, she and her husband didn’t move in together before marriage (mostly as a matter of coincidence).

“Of course the natural step would have been to move in together,” she continued. “You save on rent, I get to know how you do the dishes, we get to do all of these things beforehand, before we get married.”

For most young couples, that’s the prevailing mindset. Producer Alanna Vizzoni piped in to note that she didn’t know anyone who hadn’t lived together before tying the knot: “I feel like that’s just kind of how people do it now.”

Instead of leading to better marital outcomes, however, the cohabitation trend is making marriages less successful. Why?

Maybe it’s because the mentality that encourages moving in together also fosters an approach to relationships that is focused on self-fulfillment instead of mutually gratifying self-sacrifice and permanence — while stripping the dating-to-marriage process of its natural tendencies toward steadfast commitment.

The common mindset toward marriage on display in Bennett and Woodruff’s conversation asks: Does this person meet my needs? Does he make me feel happy? Those are questions easily answered by living together outside the sacred commitment of marriage. But they are the exact same questions that, as a rubric applied within marriage, often culminate in divorce as soon as one spouse is perceived to not sufficiently meet needs and inspire happiness.

That self-focused mindset is revealed in Woodruff’s theory about why the statistic might be true. “When you’re not living with someone you’re continuously keeping your own life, your own hobbies, your own things that fulfill you,” she suggested. “But when you live with someone, because I did this, your life becomes their life, and you forget to take care of your own life and your own needs.”

Woodruff is right about one thing: it’s a lot easier to be selfish when you don’t live with another person. Seeing the ability to “take care of your own life” as the top criterion for a healthy marriage is a recipe for failure.

If you enter a marriage with the ultimate goal of meeting your own desires, you’ll likely walk out as soon as those desires aren’t met. And since the practice of living together before marriage is typically a convenient means of testing out how well those wants are met, it simply indulges that mindset further.

But the primary function of marriage is not to make us “happier,” even though it does. Marriage is designed to glorify God by sanctifying us and creating families that reflect his intimate and unconditional love, in ways that also offer us joy and strengthen our communities.

That is a goal that can survive the annoyances of living with another imperfect person’s habits and quirks. It can survive seasons of heartbreaking loss and moments when “feelings” run dry, because marriage is an intentional commitment to sacrificial, unconditional love.

While it’s absolutely wise to thoughtfully evaluate a relationship through dating before making such a holy commitment, that doesn’t require testing out the sacred vulnerabilities of marriage with none of the promise of permanence. In fact, it is that very security of permanence that makes the vulnerabilities wonderful.

Later in the episode, Woodruff and Bennett ponder the reality that, when making the decision to marry, few people ever feel “100 percent” sure they’re making the right decision. For many, moving in together first feels like a way to make the marriage decision less “risky.” But that unhealthy risk aversion paralyzes us from finding joy in commitments that might close off other options.

“I don’t know if anyone will ever be 100 percent [sure,] because we’re always looking for the next best thing, like that’s in our genetics these days,” Woodruff notes.

Her diagnosis is accurate — and sad. The root of that risk aversion, and the “fear of missing out” that nourishes it, is usually selfishness. We don’t want to commit ourselves to anything (or anyone) without a guarantee that we’ll receive the greatest possible gratification in return, because we’ve been taught that self-love is the greatest love of all. That cautious instinct can be good to an extent; obviously, we shouldn’t continue in relationships that are abusive, unhealthy, or simply going nowhere.

But to approach relationships as means to the end of loving ourselves is to deny ourselves the joy of loving another person unconditionally, of giving and receiving each other fully. (Incidentally, it also makes the marriage as futile a pursuit as “self-love” is.) It cheats us of participating in the ultimate earthly replica of Christ’s love, and destines us to eventual dissatisfaction. It makes marriage more fearsome, since a marriage’s success suddenly depends on unpredictable feelings of satisfaction instead of an intentional, constant commitment to love.

Any real love requires giving yourself, and that’s a “risk” that terrifies disciples of the “Mean Girl” hosts’ self-love gospel. The irony is, it’s riskier (and less rewarding) to give time, trust, and emotional and physical intimacy to a person who is only bound to you, as you are to him, by your present satisfaction of his desires. The guard rails of marriage aren’t just safer — they’re ultimately far more liberating.


Elle Purnell is an assistant editor at The Federalist, and received her B.A. in government from Patrick Henry College with a minor in journalism.


TOPICS: Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: cohabitation; divorce; holyfolk; marriage
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To: G Larry
My wife and I agree, there is only ONE WAY to load a dishwasher!.....Alone.

She can load it anyway she likes.
21 posted on 01/09/2023 9:50:32 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth? (Luke 18:8))
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To: SeekAndFind

They are lacking commitment, a critical feature.

Marriage, over the long haul, is an act of will, not of feeling.


22 posted on 01/09/2023 9:51:22 AM PST by Scott from the Left Coast (Make Orwell Fiction Again)
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To: SeekAndFind

I would think living together actually makes it harder to call off a marriage that is ultimately doomed to fail.

Seems that if you don’t live together, it makes it easier to just walk away.


23 posted on 01/09/2023 9:52:38 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: z3n

Right on the money, and I think this is what the article was saying in a more round-about way.


24 posted on 01/09/2023 9:54:02 AM PST by viewfromthefrontier
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh boy.

This could be a nasty thread.

Anyway, shacking up is a waste of time.

Isn’t it weird that immoral people eschew “marriage” but feel the need to play house and “stay faithful”? (Let’s not ignore the main point is to have regular sex and feel like one is moral about it.)

If you actually stay faithful in your dating years, you’ve wasted many potential mates. I say you need to shop around. You need to be open.

Then you make the full commitment after you’ve checked those fish in the sea.


25 posted on 01/09/2023 9:55:57 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMV)
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To: z3n

Yes.

However, moral people are the ones who are “weird” and “sanctimonious” and get shouted down for the last 50 years.

Amazing I got through that my whole life and had no thought of shacking up.


26 posted on 01/09/2023 9:59:40 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMV)
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To: Dr. Sivana

But not you, right?

LOL

It’s amazing how big a deal we make out of the dumbest things.


27 posted on 01/09/2023 10:00:55 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMV)
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To: Zuriel

And it’s one you’ll never forget. Cherish the memory. My wife and I still laugh about it.


28 posted on 01/09/2023 10:01:17 AM PST by Darth Gill
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To: z3n

Yes!!


29 posted on 01/09/2023 10:02:39 AM PST by Exit148
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To: dsrtsage

You may be correct, but I’ve heard of people meeting late in life and being just fine. I wonder about my cousin, too, who is 47.

My hubby isn’t quite at your stage, as far as “alone”.

But, I was 35 and he was 38 getting married. We were never married. He had the added interest of having been truly alone since graduating college. No roommates, nothing. Never even had his local friends live with him.

We celebrated last year’s wedding anniversary as the year he equaled his alone time of 17 years.


30 posted on 01/09/2023 10:05:10 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMV)
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To: Zuriel

Yup. Zero regrets.


31 posted on 01/09/2023 10:06:02 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMV)
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To: z3n
While in the throes of a separation and unknown to me at the time a future divorce, I called my grandmother for counsel. She said two things that I have never forgot. First she said, “son once a woman goes bad there is no going back (applies to men as well) get a divorce.” Usual story in the military, wife had multiple affairs.

I then asked her when she married Grandpa did she love him? She started laughing boisterously on the phone. She said “no, I married him because he owned a farm and I was a single mother in the 1930s.” I thought, wow so much for love. But then she said something I have passed down to my children. She said, “but one morning years later I woke up, looked at the man sleeping next to me and thought I never want to wake up and not see him there. That's when I knew I loved your Grandpa.”

That's why you marry, and not live together first. You go through the tough times together, grow to trust and find comfort in each other. One day you wake and realize you really are in love.

32 posted on 01/09/2023 10:07:24 AM PST by OldGoatCPO (No Caitiff Choir of Angels will sing for me. )
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To: alexander_busek

Lol!
Her name is Michelle. About halfway through our 11 month courtship I had gotten to where I was calling her ‘honey’ most of the time (45 years later still do).

She asked why I was not using her name very often. I told her, of the girls I had dated before her, none achieved the name ‘honey’. I said there are plenty of girls named Michelle, but for me only one honey. That satisfied her.

About 20 yrs ago I gave her the nickname Shelly slam-bang, which she admits is somewhat accurate, lol!


33 posted on 01/09/2023 10:11:17 AM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Go call your husband”

“Sir I have no husband”

“Well have you spoken”
.......

“Because the husband you have is not your own”

John Chapter 4


34 posted on 01/09/2023 10:23:06 AM PST by Varsity Flight ( "War by the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18. Nazarite prayer warriors. 10.5.6.5)
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To: SeekAndFind

Been telling young people for decades that All or nothing at all is the only way to approach any long-term relationship. IF you aren’t willing to give your all to another person on a permanent basis, no matter WHAT happens, then you aren’t ready to live together either. Marriage doesn’t alway shut the door completely but it DOES remove your own foot from the door of leaving and creates the feeling of permanence that is essential for building trust in each other. “One only keeps a foot in the door if there is an intention to use it”. L.Star


35 posted on 01/09/2023 10:23:29 AM PST by Qwapisking ("IF the Second goes first the First goes second" L.Star )
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To: SeekAndFind
Women have been made to believe that a “trial run” and “testing it out” makes for a better marriage. What it really does is take her off the market for 5-10 years until he decides to bail. (I know one who waited 15 and he finally did agree to marry her and they’ve been miserable ever since.)

And then she’s alone, 5-10 years older, and all her girlfriends/wingmen have paired up and moved on.

36 posted on 01/09/2023 10:25:34 AM PST by ponygirl (An Appeal to Heaven)
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To: SeekAndFind

Shacking up... perhaps indicative of an overall lack of respect for marriage... this is not rocket surgery ...


37 posted on 01/09/2023 10:25:44 AM PST by Chauncey Gardiner
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To: dsrtsage

Same here. Most men I meet are not at all interested in my “independent together” mindset. I really love traveling alone and they all think I’m off having an Italian affair.


38 posted on 01/09/2023 10:30:42 AM PST by ponygirl (An Appeal to Heaven)
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To: ponygirl
It’s also a “swipe right/left” culture now. Everyone is easily replaceable.

Last night I was in the parking lot at Trader Joe’s loading my groceries into my car and overheard a guy asking a girl out two cars over. He sounded very nice and respectful, telling her he would like to meet her for a coffee sometime. He was also kind of cute. She was alright, not any great beauty and not the type wearing yoga pants and false eyelashes. (“Im just slumming it and running errands, but I had time to put on fake lashes and beachwave my hair.”) Both were college age and granted, I didnt know what led up to the conversation (was he wandering around a parking lot asking randoms for dates?). But she turned him down, and I thought to myself, “Is she crazy? Does she not realize how rare it is for them to politely ask you out TO YOUR FACE these days???”

39 posted on 01/09/2023 10:45:11 AM PST by ponygirl (An Appeal to Heaven)
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To: SeekAndFind

Traditional marriage implies a vow to God, which implies a fear of God.

Today, most young people have no idea what this means.


40 posted on 01/09/2023 10:46:08 AM PST by keats5
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