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Sunday night computer questions
Me | 1/8/2023 | Paul R.

Posted on 01/08/2023 8:56:26 PM PST by Paul R.

#1: I am trying to clone the 64 GB eMMC boot drive in a Win 10 Pro Lenovo N22 to a 256 GB SDATA M.2 drive recently installed in it, using Macrium 8 cloning software. I've used Macrium successfully on several machines in the past, from HDD to SSD, and SSD to SSD, but in this case I keep getting an error message: Clone Failed - - VerifyFileSystem Failed. This occurs after the 1st 2 small volumes successfully clone...:


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To: Paul R.; All

AH! A PC hard drive transfer question. Great timing.
I have six hard drives (HDDs). Recently upgraded my OS (C) drive to an SSD.
Used Acronis software, and it worked great.
Now my H drive is bogging my system down, and I just received another 2TB SSD to replace it.
Shouldn’t be that difficult to clone a non-boot OS drive, right?


21 posted on 01/09/2023 12:26:47 AM PST by RandallFlagg ("Okay. As long as the paperwork is clean, you boys can do what you like out there." -Fifi)
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To: Paul R.

Sorry, I am having a hard time describing how one uefi partition cannot be written correctly on a new drive while the original uefi partition is active. This is a security feature in newer systems.


22 posted on 01/09/2023 12:28:32 AM PST by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: Paul R.

You are wasting your time cloning. Just install your fresh 256 GB SDATA M.2 and install Windows Ten into it. Get a fresh start.

Now before you do this, save your essential files from the 64 GB eMMC onto a flash drive or USB external storage. Then place them onto the 256GB drive (In Documents, perhaps) after Win Ten has been installed.


23 posted on 01/09/2023 1:07:25 AM PST by dennisw ("You don't have to like it. You just have to do it")
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To: Paul R.
N22 specs: Capacity: eMMC: 32 GB/64 GB SSD: 128 GB

I suspect there is a 128 GB limitation in the BIOS/Motherboard for that tiny M.2 board.

Suggest an 128GB or better yet, sell that N22 on Ebay (etc.) and get a laptop that supports windows 11 and much larger storage. Windows 10 is going away.

24 posted on 01/09/2023 1:44:15 AM PST by CptnObvious
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To: Paul R.
I suppose all should be backed up to magnetic media (a HDD) as well

I use a USB 3.0 to 2.5" Hard Drive cable and HDD. Yes bootable and yes backup for multiple systems.

If you use 4 USB 3.0 to HDDs, you can have one Grandfather and 3 son backups.

Yes, I've been told that about USB flash drives need to be plugged in periodically to keep them alive.

25 posted on 01/09/2023 2:01:47 AM PST by CptnObvious
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To: CptnObvious

I suspect there is a 128 GB limitation in the BIOS/Motherboard for that tiny M.2 board.
Suggest an 128GB or better yet, sell that N22 on Ebay (etc.) and get a laptop that supports windows 11 and much larger storage. Windows 10 is going away.
____________

Right on that limitation. He should get a refurb laptop at Dell. About $300.
https://tinyurl.com/2wktmvbz
Or buy on Ebay. I see loads of great 17.3” laptops of Ebay after Christmas.

Windoz Ten is OUT! All mine use Windows 11.


26 posted on 01/09/2023 3:24:14 AM PST by dennisw ("You don't have to like it. You just have to do it")
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To: RandallFlagg
Now my H drive is bogging my system down

What are you doing with H:? Page File? Lot's of writes?

Heavy writes will kill an SSD. Have you optimized H: lately?

27 posted on 01/09/2023 5:25:46 AM PST by CptnObvious
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To: CptnObvious

It’s old, full, and has lots of iTunes stuff in it.


28 posted on 01/09/2023 6:24:58 AM PST by RandallFlagg ("Okay. As long as the paperwork is clean, you boys can do what you like out there." -Fifi)
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To: Paul R.
Motherboards that have an integral TPM can employ the onboard crypto keys to encrypt the hard disk. If the disk is moved to another platform, the files will not be readable because the TPM with the correct decryption keys is not present.

If you perform an "image" clone on a TPM encrypted drive, it will only be readable by the system with the TPM that encrypted the "source" drive.

29 posted on 01/09/2023 8:03:14 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: RandallFlagg

Should be pretty easy. But if your “H” drive is just a data drive you could probably just copy it and then remove the old drive, rather than having to use cloning software.


30 posted on 01/09/2023 8:25:23 AM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: Paul R.

So, just plug the new SSD into the MB, format it for my system, then just copy everything from the “H” drive to the SSD? They’re both 2TB capacity.


31 posted on 01/09/2023 8:31:44 AM PST by RandallFlagg ("Okay. As long as the paperwork is clean, you boys can do what you like out there." -Fifi)
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To: Myrddin

Right. But, here I am not moving anything to a new platform.

It does occur to me that I did not try to copy / paste any individual files from C: (the eMMC “OS” drive) to D: (the new SSD). (My tests on “D” were copying a few files onto it from a USB stick, and then opening them, then deleting the copies.) But, in the past I’ve moved files from C: to a micro SD card I’d put in the laptop’s micro SD port semi-permanently for data storage, with no problems, and ditto for files transferred to a USB flash drive in any of the USB drive ports.


32 posted on 01/09/2023 8:35:53 AM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: CptnObvious
That interesting: The machine reports the M.2 drive as having its rated 256 GB capacity (minus a bit for the usual overhead), shows it as healthy, and I can move files onto it, view them, etc.* The Macrium Reflect software also reports same for the storage, as does "Disk Management in Windows, with Macrium allowing me to assign partitions / Volumes to fill the 256 GB, etc. It's just that the file verification of the source disc volume C (but not the other small partitions) fails. As if there is something "wrong" about the data on C: specifically, but not on the other eMMC partitions, despite all the disk health checks I've tried so far saying that C: is perfectly fine.

It's just the cloning software that fails, it seems, despite it being fine on several of my other machines.

*However, I've not actually tried putting over 128 GB of files on the M.2 drive while installed in the N22, which is the only home this M.2 has seen. But, again, the source disk and specifically Volume C seems to be the problem for the cloning software.

33 posted on 01/09/2023 9:38:01 AM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: dennisw

I got a good deal on a Dell 5490 w/ Win 11 on a 256 GB NVMe drive, and an i7-8650 CPU a bit B4 Christmas. I upped it to 16 GB of DRAM and added an Internal 256 GB SATA M.2 drive for data storage, the page file (shouldn’t get used much), etc. That replaced my HP ProBook which died (no video output internal or external at any time, even @ initial boot-up.)

The N22 is for when I need something even more portable or I am doing something “lesser” in parallel (probably on FR while eating lunch or something like that - hahaha. Well, ok, that’s a light workout for even the N22.)

So far, Win 11 is not too bad (though to be honest, in many ways I like the ol’ Win 7 Pro GUI better.)

Setting up a new machine w/ a fresh OS install (not to mention all the programs I use) is a lot of work, however. Program installs go FAST on the 5490, but there’s usually still a lot to do in the way of OS and programs settings, maybe installing custom dictionaries in the wordprocessor, and so on. From past experience, I’ll be occasionally running into those issues on the Dell for at least several months...

Heck, I still have a (quick) Win7 Pro desktop machine I’m typing this on right now. On it I limit web browsing to only very safe websites. Otherwise it does everything else I need out of it. And, it doesn’t nag me about updates, run any risk of an update crash / temporary disabling of the machine until I can restore it, etc. (Yeah, that - an update crash that killed Windows) - has actually happened to me twice. Not on this machine, though!)

Cloning alleviates most of those issues.

(It occurs to me that the only MS OS’s I don’t have some version of on some working machine are Win 8, Win ME, and any of the server specific stuff. Although... the Vista laptop is hopeless - I may try getting into Linux on it, someday.)

So, I’m partially between someone like you, and the people who’d still be using Windows 1 if it could be made to work decently for web browsing. ;-)


34 posted on 01/09/2023 10:16:08 AM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: CptnObvious

I think it’s more than “need to be plugged in” — I believe the data has to be rewritten. Maybe someone has come up with a flash drive “refresh-files” utility...


35 posted on 01/09/2023 10:58:56 AM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: Paul R.

When Macrium failed to work properly on my recent SSD to M.2 conversion, I used EaseUS Todo with success. It handled the hidden partitions and allowed me to expand the boot partition easily.


36 posted on 01/09/2023 11:06:37 AM PST by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: fireman15

That’s why I run Ubuntu in a virtual machine


37 posted on 01/09/2023 11:10:25 AM PST by AppyPappy (Biden told Al Roker "America is back". Unfortunately, he meant back to the 1970's)
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To: Paul R.
Using a read/write operation from the booted OS will skirt the encryption issues as files are decrypted on read from the source drive. If the target drive is not encrypted, you get decrypted copies on the target drive that remain unencrypted. Most cloning software does a low level block copy of file contents. It doesn't pass through a decrypting/decompressing OS layer.
38 posted on 01/09/2023 11:13:02 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: AppyPappy
That's why I run Ubuntu in a virtual machine

Yes, I have several virtual machines set up with various operating systems. But I run Ubuntu in a standalone installation, on bootable USB. I am running Ubuntu Studio on a Sandisk Extreme microSD card in a USB 3 adapter. The Extreme card has very good read/write speeds for not much money. I doubt that a lesser card would perform very well with this operating system.

Ubuntu Studio is extremely good because it comes with a bunch of useful applications right out of the box and the Plasma Desktop by KDE is amazing and easy to configure. On my laptop a standalone installation makes full use of the GPU which is a real challenge to get working properly in a virtual machine If you have not tried this flavor of Ubuntu out I would highly recommend setting up a live installation on a fast USB drive and checking it out.

https://ubuntustudio.org/

39 posted on 01/09/2023 12:16:33 PM PST by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: Paul R.

Are you logged in?

Sorry, FR protocol.


40 posted on 01/09/2023 12:17:58 PM PST by AFreeBird
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