Posted on 01/04/2023 4:02:11 PM PST by MarMema
BWAHAHAHAHA! Dumbest article I’ve ever seen. And I’ve seen a lot on FR lately. With China now in permanent decline, America’s hegemony is stronger than ever.
But the EU a very big part of the world’s GDP, technical base, and military potential. The US, the Anglosphere, the EU, Taiwan, SK, and Japan are about 60% of the world’s GDP.
Wouldn’t it be nice if things were that simple?
Ha ha. You are amusing.
I am just about to post this..
https://thecradle.co/Article/Columns/18477
Sadly so
Yes, it’s easy to falsely accuse people of being neocons, but it’s also easy for people who go along with the neocon program to deny being neocons.
Liberals who passionately wanted to overthrow Saddam and democratize Iraq can deny that they were neocons, based on the fact that they didn’t vote for Bush. Conservatives who wanted to smash Iraq and then just leave can say that they weren’t neocons because they didn’t buy into the democratization scheme.
Were those people neocons? Maybe, maybe not, but the looseness with which some people apply the term has a lot to do with the complexity of the situation and with not wanting to let people off the hook for what they said and did.
Trump is not a neocon. Bolton definitely is. Beyond that, it’s all a little fuzzy.
A hopeful thought... Thank you.
I think BRICS will overtake us very soon, however.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/254281/gdp-of-the-bric-countries/
Trump was never a neocon. That’s going way too far.
He was a populist. Neocons are all about interventionism.
Trump was never a neocon. That’s going way too far.
He was a populist. Neocons are all about interventionism.
“Yes, it’s easy to falsely accuse people of being neocons, but it’s also easy for people who go along with the neocon program to deny being neocons.”
By definition, if one subscribes to capitalism, and approves of intervention, one is a “neocon.” And intervention is situational, such that one can be a “neocon” on Monday and not one on Tuesday; but back to being one on Wednesday; etc. Thus, the term is meaningless. Just as the label “racist” is meaningless, because it applies to EVERYONE at one time or another, and to one degree or another.
“Trump was never a neocon. That’s going way too far. He was a populist. Neocons are all about interventionism.”
He meets the definition; as, perhaps you do — unless you eschew capitalism. Which you very well may. Are you perhaps a communist?
And, do you agree that intervention is situational?
Earlier terms like “interventionist,” “internationalist,” and “isolationism” were similarly imprecise, everybody recognizes that there are some situations where one has to intervene.
“Capitalist,” “socialist,” and “Marxist” are likewise imprecise terms. Pelosi says she’s a capitalist, and her husband certainly is, but some people call her a socialist or a Marxist.
We are involved with the rest of the world and can’t avoid that, but some interventions go too far and are unwise. Neocons supported most of those, so the term, though overused, still has meaning and is appropriate in many cases.
Capitalism is an economic system. As is socialism. Communism is socialism on steroids, and is international (at least in theory); nazism is socialism, but with a national focus, and snappier uniforms.
Nancy Pelosi is very much an economic capitalist on a personal level, but is a socialist with other people’s money as long as it inures to her benefit. Thus, while she is not an economic Marxist, she is very much a POLITICAL Marxist.
“We are involved with the rest of the world and can’t avoid that...”
Of course.
“...but some interventions go too far and are unwise.”
Yes, but that is dependent upon one’s perspective.
“Neocons supported most of those, so the term, though overused, still has meaning and is appropriate in many cases.”
No, it’s not; because it is a broad-brush application. Now, if you had said SOME “neocons” instead of the blanket “neocons” your statement might have some credibility. There is no organization known as “neocon;” there is no recognized and accepted hierarchy that speaks for the body. There is no consensus of belief among them, as the critical element of intervention is situational; and while it may apply to some “neocons” at any given moment it does NOT apply to others. You see, the term “neocon” has become a throwaway term to denigrate one’s political opponent. It was originally trotted out by the American anti-war left to describe Democrats who were “hawkish” in foreign affairs.
“we still had NO BUSINESS starting that war.”
We did NOT start the war or a war. We were fighting ISIS, a terror org, hiding inside multiple countries. You may have forgotten our promise after 9-11, that we would find and attack any terror group that threatens the US.
The US did not get involved in the Syrian War, although we did a few punitive attacks to take out bases used for dropping chemical weapons.
You are very unaware.
Most of the world is in full Dedollarization mode.
Together.
China is not in decline.
Believe western news if it makes you feel better.
I somehow knew you wouldn’t answer my question, as posed in my post #90.
You really don’t know what real dominant behavior is by a nation. The military bases you point are left overs from a world war.
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Don’t confuse military adventurism with dominant behavior. Vietnam and Afghanistan were anything but examples of dominant behavior.
With respect to your second point, we’ve had bases in Afghanistan, Bahrain, Bulgaria, Dgibuoti, Iraq, Kosovo, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, plus other other facilities in obscure places such Niger and Syria. So your statement about the bases being left over from a world war is not at all accurate.
You know not what you talk about. Many of the countries you note are not based but places that advisors stationed. That are also not long term .
You know not what you talk about. Many of the countries you note are not based but places that advisors stationed.
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No, you are absolutely wrong.
Why don’t you send me your data so I can have some fun showing you just how wrong you are. Unlike you, I actually did some research before posting. By the way, 750 is a very conservative number; there are other estimates that are as high as 1,000.
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