Posted on 01/03/2023 6:09:13 AM PST by Red Badger
I don’t have the tine to track it down. Look for it yourself.
Your disorganization and unwillingness to put forth any effort to defend your claims isn't really my problem.
It’s far more effort than you’re putting into anything except trolling.
You have no room to speak.
No, I'm ssaying that the authors of the paper stated, in the paper, that it absolutely understated the number of deaths.
By design.
Because it never tried to determine the number of deaths and only looked at a small subset of the data.
Sadly, I'm sure this won't keep you from misrepresenting the study in the future.
Your contention is that the degree of underestimation MUST be enough to mean that the reports of death on the field are not a significant increase over past years.
But you’re misquoting the article.
Your supposed kill shot (no pun intended, troll-boi)
“The most important limitation however is that SCD in young athletes as reported in the published and studied papers is certainly underestimated. Most of the events occur in youth potentially involved in sports activities, which are not reported in the literature. SCD is therefore likely to have comprised more than the 1101 athletes in the 38-year period across the world, which we reported”
was about their study — which never pretended to try to count all the cases: but their study was looking for cases which were reported in the literature, so they could find common etiology.
What is important for your argument, are the quoted overall rates of sudden cardiac death in young athletes: which are not derived from their 1101 cases — but are in footnotes 4, 6, 8-10.
Unfortunately, those articles are behind paywalls and I can’t drill down into them.
But you have the article all wrong yourself, and are projecting your misunderstanding onto me.
Troll.
It’s not my argument. Articles posted here claim that the rate of sudden deaths among athletes has increased.
I’ve simply pointed out that no such evidence has been presented.
Do you have any evidence that the overall rates of sudden cardiac death in young athletes has increased?
The Lausanne study certainly doesn’t provide any.
I can't tell without drilling down into the footnotes; or alternatively, getting an estimate of the number of athletes between ages of 12-35 overall since 2021, and comparing that to the number of deaths quoted in the Lausanne paper based on its footnotes (0.5–2/100 000 per year). (Those papers attribute the deaths to a variety of causes, btw.)
But even that comparison doesn't look at increased blood clots and/or myocarditis, which apparently have also increased, after the shots.
There are a number of elite athletes who had NO problems (wore a heart monitor 24x7 for training, and evertyhing went bad RIGHT AFTER THE JAB) who didn't die.
Troll.
Exactly. This started when I asked for evidence to back up the claim of increased deaths.
You posted an article based on the Lausanne study, which we both now agree can’t be used to support that claim.
By your own admission you don’t have the post-Covid death rates so there’s absolutely no basis to claim an increase.
Yet you’re trying to defend the original claim of increased deaths.
I don’t know what that refers to.
True, and a lot of it is incorrect. With so many conflicting reports some of it must be.
I don't recall if some sort of abnormal condition must exist, but I know the timing of the blow within the heartbeat cycle is extremely specific.
On a different thread, a poster mentioned that this can happen with motorcycle accidents or being hit by debris that falls off a vehicle
You’re lying through your foul teeth again.
The Lausanne STUDY itself — the 1100 or so pulled from the literature — isn’t the only thing in the paper.
The standing rate of events per capita in times past is also in that paper.
So I don’t agree with you putting words in my mouth.
Troll.
As you know, the past rate doesn’t matter if we don’t have the current rate.
What makes you think there are more sudden cardiac deaths in young athletes now than before the vaccines?
If there are no preconditions, anyone struck in the chest in the right manner and at the right instant can suffer cardiac arrest. It is extremely rare because so many factors must align for it to occur.
And now the troll has changed its story from "You agree with me that the paper didn't have past death rates"
TO
"Well even if we have past death rates it doesn't matter"
Troll.
Not what I said.
I said we're in agreement that the sutdy can't support the claim of increased deaths.
That's because the study doesn't have the current death rate.
I believe there may be data in the footnotes about past death rates, but we have nothing to compare them to.
What makes you think the death rate has increased?
Twitter doctor says it has to happen at the end of the heart’s electrical cycle as it is reseting for a new cycle. Doc says it happens during the the upslope of the T-wave pulse..
At least the girlfriend didn’t encourage it unlike Juliette Binoche in ‘Damage’....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHoSvQwvrnw
Mine was 2014.
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