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Strange Deep State Bedfellows
American Greatness ^ | 27 Dec, 2022 | Paul Gottfried

Posted on 12/28/2022 4:37:36 AM PST by MtnClimber

How long can the alliance between the surveillance state and what looks like an increasingly lunatic ruling class last?

Victor Davis Hanson’s recent mordant comments about the degree to which the FBI will go to influence elections and its shameless defense of this interference caused me to think about the surveillance state’s endgame. These somber thoughts came, not incidentally, after I had immersed myself in reading about the possible (perhaps likely) CIA involvement in the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy. As Jim Douglass shows in JFK and the Unspeakable, a work to which Tucker Carlson recently referred in discussing the unwillingness of the Biden Administration to release CIA documents related to the assassination, the Warren Report released in 1964 to explain the killing in Dallas was a cover-up. Kennedy, it seems, was concerned about the CIA’s largely uncontrolled exercise of power and planned to rein it in or possibly even dismantle it. Plentiful hints lead to the conclusion that the agency knew of the planned assassination and then worked to cover up evidence about its origin and participants.

If the Left was correct in warning about the dangers of national surveillance agencies throughout the Cold War, I’m not about to award any prize to my former Stalinoid classmates and teachers at Yale. Leftist journalists and politicians like George McGovern were against our surveillance agencies because they scorned them as anti-Communist. I have noted throughout my life the Left’s fondness for communist dictatorships and their opposition to U.S. efforts to unseat such grisly tyrannies. Unfortunately, the Right in turn has exaggerated the “conservatism” of surveillance agencies, and even when countervailing evidence existed, persisted in viewing those who worked for these agencies as being uniformly on the right. There was no evidence for this generalization during the Cold War, even if the CIA funded the early National Review and may have lavished largesse on James Burnham and William F. Buckley. The same agency gave even larger sums to the Congress for Cultural Freedom and other left-of-center organizations that supported its anti-Communist activities. If the FBI surveilled Martin Luther King, Jr., in the 1950s and 1960s, it was because that civil rights leader had communist advisors, and anti-communism was the big issue back then. Now surveillance agencies have switched targets and are warning against a “right-wing coup.”

I’m still trying to figure out where the close alliance between surveillance agencies and the woke Left, which has been evident since at least the Obama Administration, may lead. I have no doubt this friendship is based more on power considerations than ideological affinity.

Although John Brennan once voted for the Communist Party’s presidential candidate and James Comey’s wife and daughter were enthusiastic Hillary Clinton fans in 2016, I’m not sure the CIA and FBI will remain attached to the present Left come hell or highwater. There is no Nibelungentreue, the term drawn from Wagner’s opera and applied to the rash unconditional support the German government pledged to the Austrian monarchy on the eve of the Great War, which ties our surveillance agencies to our weird Left. Christopher Wray is not working for Adam Schiff or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Nor is there any compelling proof that the FBI cooperated with leftist-controlled electronic media to defeat Donald Trump because FBI agents are wild about the LGBTQ+ movement and Black Lives Matter. These agencies were assuring their own sphere of power by gaining the approval of those leftist ideologues in charge of the mainstream media and the administrative state.

One might ask whether a point will be reached where this alliance is no longer useful and when the surveillance state will have to act against onetime allies. Is it really in the interest of those who are trying to exercise power to remain permanently allied to dotty people who are subverting social order and running down public institutions? I’m not posing this as a moral question for those who give no signs of being ethical. My question is purely pragmatic. Do you really want as partners those who use the military to push gender reassignment and incite hatred against white Americans? What about cultivating allies who allow our borders to be overrun?

Mind you, I am not describing such unpleasant but level-headed types as communist commissars and banana republic despots. We are now dealing with an even more disruptive elite that has declared war on such entities as gender distinctions, pronouns, rationality, and the white race and its achievements. One cannot even exercise immoral power very effectively in a society being devastated by these would-be totalitarians. Cynical despots may rule by sowing disunity, a tendency already noted by Aristotle thousands of years ago. But we are now well beyond that strategic game. The insane have been set loose upon the land.

Because of these considerations, I don’t think the alliance between the surveillance state and what looks like an increasingly lunatic ruling class can last. At some point, unless I’m mistaken, the more pragmatic but not conspicuously moral elements of the government that are driven by a lust for power but not woke ideology will turn on their unhinged allies. Exactly what form this will take is not yet clear.


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1 posted on 12/28/2022 4:37:36 AM PST by MtnClimber
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I think that the “crazies” are just trying to undermine western civilization so they are really just power hungry too.


2 posted on 12/28/2022 4:37:47 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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3 posted on 12/28/2022 4:53:21 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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Author is whistling past the graveyard.


4 posted on 12/28/2022 5:18:12 AM PST by 4Runner
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“Because of these considerations, I don’t think the alliance between the surveillance state and what looks like an increasingly lunatic ruling class can last.”

This very acceptance of insanity is their proof of the power they wield over us. The source of the surveillance state’s power IS the crazies. They are one.


5 posted on 12/28/2022 5:21:02 AM PST by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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"Do you really want as partners those who use the military to push gender reassignment and incite hatred against white Americans? What about cultivating allies who allow our borders to be overrun?"

Useful idiots, they don't call them "tools" for nothing... :(

It's the motives of the "deep state" that worries me..

6 posted on 12/28/2022 5:21:56 AM PST by unread ("It's not enough that we do our best; sometimes we have to do what's required." W. Churchill.)
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To: MtnClimber
The insane have been set loose upon the land. Because of these considerations, I don’t think the alliance between the surveillance state and what looks like an increasingly lunatic ruling class can last. At some point, unless I’m mistaken, the more pragmatic but not conspicuously moral elements of the government that are driven by a lust for power but not woke ideology will turn on their unhinged allies.

I would agree with the writer except that this insane movement is worldwide. It seems hardly likely that those from within the insane group will right the ship. It seems more logical that a George Washington type will accomplish that.

7 posted on 12/28/2022 5:23:26 AM PST by eeriegeno (Checks and balances??? What checks and balances?)
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To: Travis McGee
Nor is there any compelling proof that the FBI cooperated with leftist-controlled electronic media to defeat Donald Trump because FBI agents are wild about the LGBTQ+ movement and Black Lives Matter. These agencies were assuring their own sphere of power by gaining the approval of those leftist ideologues in charge of the mainstream media and the administrative state.

It is naive to state that each of these 'left wing' entities works individually and for its own personal power. On the surface, they do. But this is a massive, coordinated effort to achieve a goal. That goal being the destruction and takeover of real America and world hegemony.

There is a cabal, a 'deep state' for lack of a better word, who has infiltrated ALL American institutions, including the FBI and CIA (most important), and now control the halls of government up to the White House, the media, religion, the entertainment industry, and more.


8 posted on 12/28/2022 5:41:27 AM PST by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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There will not be a smoking gun document related to 11/22/63. If there ever was such a document, it would “inexplicably” gone missing, just like JFK’s brain. Feral givernment agency actors know how to commit crimes against its citizens. They are unaccountable, they know how to hide behind “I am not able to speak about that”, or “the agency cannot divulge its methods and sources” ad infinitum. Even in the rare instance that they commit perjury, like lying on FISA applications, nothing happens. When more redacted information is released, we will see that a large part of it should never have been redacted.

My prediction is that the unreleased documents might cast some light on what and when the Sea Eye A knew, some of its relationship with Oswald. Allen Dulles - DCI, fired by JFK over Bay of Pigs, was appointed to be on ... the Warren Commission! It will also show that the Warren Commission was a farce - its real task was only to assemble enough of the “right evidence” to show “only one plausible conclusion” that Oswald was an anti-American nut who acted alone. At this late date, no one will care that the American people were set up and lied to by the Warren Commission and its givernment. Just like today with Twitter-gate...no one cares because the 4th estate is dead.


9 posted on 12/28/2022 5:43:32 AM PST by Susquehanna Patriot ( )
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“There is a cabal, a ‘deep state’ for lack of a better word, who has infiltrated ALL American institutions, including the FBI and CIA (most important).”

In some recent hard print, reading about history of US intelligence agencies - I was surprised to learn that almost since their inception, they are aligned politically with the left. Consider simple example - LBJ wanted to know whether Vietnam protesters who were visiting N Vietnam officials were active communists. Intelligence agencies reported that they were not. Nixon asked the same question. It “got out” that Nixon was spying on his political enemies who were protesters.


10 posted on 12/28/2022 5:55:01 AM PST by Susquehanna Patriot ( )
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To: Susquehanna Patriot

You made a typo, but I like it as a new word!

“...givernment agency...” :-)


11 posted on 12/28/2022 6:01:18 AM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: MtnClimber

“At some point, unless I’m mistaken, the more pragmatic but not conspicuously moral elements of the government that are driven by a lust for power but not woke ideology will turn on their unhinged allies. Exactly what form this will take is not yet clear.”

One cannot successfully “turn on” the Deep State, can one?

What is meant by this idle prediction?


12 posted on 12/28/2022 6:12:25 AM PST by one guy in new jersey
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Oh, c’mon man.

It seems that everyone has forgotten about the unsolved mystery tagged ‘Awan Bros. IT Scandal’.

IMHO, it was a peek inside DS and its efforts to ensnare those who control the purse.

There are only a handful of holdouts, and one only needs to scan the news for their names as DS continues to try to discredit/persecute/marginalize them.

IOW, this ‘war’ began long ago and it’s long past due that the rest of us recognized it for what it is.


13 posted on 12/28/2022 6:24:22 AM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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The author is delusional.

If deranged neo-Marxist politicians are elected, and deranged bureaucrats are installed and promoted, how exactly will pragmatic bureaucrats peacefully depose them?

Hitler exactly copied Lenin's strategy for taking over a government - total focus on the Police, the Prosecutors, and the Judges.

The American Left is following the same plan.

14 posted on 12/28/2022 6:33:08 AM PST by zeestephen (43,000)
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“the Warren Commission was a farce - its real task was only to assemble enough of the “right evidence” to show “only one plausible conclusion” that Oswald was an anti-American nut who acted alone.” Exactly! That is why, to this day, I don’t want to hear or support any “commission” or “legislation committee investigation”. They are a waste of time and taxpayer money that only covers up the real crimes by those that are to be protected by the “deep state”.


15 posted on 12/28/2022 7:14:05 AM PST by JoJo354 (We need to get to work, Conservatives!)
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I have no doubt this friendship is based more on power considerations than ideological affinity.

It's based on MONEY, we go woke, you leave us alone to make billions and don't regulate us.

16 posted on 12/28/2022 7:16:01 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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The State “god” goes to an fro seeking whom it can devour!
In complete violation of 1st Amendment’s “establishment of religion” prohibition, the State has established the State itself as USA’s “established” religion?

The State is a “jealous god” that demands “no other gods before it!” It began in the SCOTUS anti-God school prayer decisions in the 1960s, and is now deeply imbeded throughout the Deep State bureaucracies. Anyone from president to citizens, who dare challenge the power of this weaponized “god” are to be destroyed. JFK 1917-1963 RIP.


17 posted on 12/28/2022 7:49:32 AM PST by FiddlePig (The greatest threat to our sacred liberty is to not value it!””)
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5th Generation Warfare

Narrative Warfare

Run by Elites against the People.


18 posted on 12/28/2022 9:16:40 AM PST by Uncle Miltie ("The News” is a fake narrative promulgated by the Deep State Uniparty to control you and enrich them)
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The irony of your comment is not lost upon me.


19 posted on 12/28/2022 12:23:27 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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“I’m still trying to figure out where the close alliance between surveillance agencies and the woke Left, which has been evident since at least the Obama Administration, may lead. I have no doubt this friendship is based more on power considerations than ideological affinity.”

Actually, intelligence personnel have always leaned to the left, not the right. Their core membership was East coast elite Ivy League graduates, who do not tend to be conservatives at all.

They simply opposed communism because it was a foreign influence operation. After Russia was defeated, that wasn’t a threat anymore so they were free to sidle right up with the Marxists.


20 posted on 12/28/2022 2:23:58 PM PST by Boogieman
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