Posted on 12/27/2022 6:07:17 AM PST by MtnClimber
.... may you be forced to live outdoors in -20F weather as just punishment for what you have imposed on others, and which you claimed would not result in us having what amounts to a third-world electrical system when under stress.
These idiots keep think the laws of thermodynamics don't apply to "special people." Sorry, they apply to everyone, all the time, every time, and there is nothing you can do about it.
The facts are:
In the winter the time of worst possible load for any electrical based heat system is before the sun contributes anything in the early morning and overnight hours. The lowest temperatures occur then and thus the highest heating load demand occurs then too, particularly when that "not yet helping" time overlaps when people are not sleeping. When people are sleeping many like it cooler in their house but nobody does when trying to take a shower -- or a dump -- in the morning.
Wind and solar are unreliable. It is often very cold when there is neither available. Further, high levels of wind are outside of the operating parameters of windmills too, so at a certain point they must feather and shut down lest they be destroyed. Winter always coincides the worst heating demand with no solar at all because the sun is not shining when the coldest temperatures occur, thus the solar benefit available to the grid in such circumstances is always zero and should be counted as zero in every single case when it comes to winter capacity during maximum load periods. This in turn means solar can never form the backbone of an electrical grid in the winter months and anyone who does not take this into account has no business lecturing anyone about energy and should be ejected into said -10F temperatures in their underwear with the door bolted behind them so they can suffer what they intend to and do inflict on others. When it is -10F out and blowing 40kts you damn well need heat available as every crack the wind can find in your house is going to result in a firehose of insanely-cold air coming in. Yes, you should fix those and the high power bill is an excellent incentive to do so but you're not going to be doing so with the ones you find while it is -10F out because you have to open said orifice to do it.
Natural gas, nuclear and coal all do not care about how cold it is. You might have to de-ice the augur on the coal plant to keep it operational but as long as those plants have fuel they make electricity and all three benefit from colder outside temperatures because the thermodynamic efficiency goes up; that, by the way, is defined as the difference between the high and low sides of a heat engine in Kelvin. Obviously when the heat exchanger has colder air or water to work with the low side is helped and the heat of either combustion or that produced by the nuclear reactor does not change. (Yes, nuke plants are hurt in terms of efficiency and maximum output in very high temperatures for the same reason; the cooling system has only warmer water available and thus overall efficiency goes down some.)
Nobody with two nickels to rub together engineers anything without at least a 5 or 10% buffer on maximum delivered utilization. TVA was whining that we were basically at the "historical high" and they were cutting people off on a rolling blackout basis. That's crap; where was the engineering for the addition 5 or 10% of capacity? TVA had it in the form of a crap-ton of coal-fired plants which they turned off intentionally because of all the greenie screamers. Rather than keep them in reserve, manned and available they were cold, off, with no fuel or even worse bulldozed and destroyed without replacing said nameplate capacity with something that can and will deliver the energy when it is zero degrees and dark outside, as those plants were fully capable of doing.
This is not an accident or incident it was deliberate malfeasance served up by those who scream about "green energy" but will not account for the delivery of said energy under adverse conditions, nor account for the fact that the maximum demand on an electrical-based heating system is going to occur every single time when solar contribution is zero and wind may be zero too.
What's worse is that if you do "rolling blackouts" in an area full of heat pumps when they come back on odds are high they will trip into the second stage and the strips will be energized where otherwise they might not. When that happens on a heat pump system electrical load typically triples for a period of time which of course is exactly the opposite of what you were trying to do.....Read more at Market-Ticker.org
Put the green crybabies outside for a while. Not long. Maybe just an hour or two.
Climate Alarmist policies, especially those against Fertilizer, are about to unleash 5 years of Global Starvation.
Millions of poor children will die.
What'd they think? Our EV works fine for most of our needs --- in Alabama. LOL
ALL these LEFTISTS want WAY fewer people in this world....what better way.
Idol worshippers.
Idol worshippers.
“On the EV forums, all of the new EV owners in the northern part of the U.S. are fussing about how much slower the EV charges unless the battery is warmed ahead of time (”preconditioning” in EV lingo).”
LOL, they finally understand to NOT put those vehicle in a garage...just to find out charging them in the cold weather doesn’t work so well.
the “green” energy screamers are screaming
“we do not care”
their goal is to make energy expensive and scarce
now shut up and get on the bus
Until enough folks are willing to risk everything to just say NO! to the greeniebabies....welcome to your new world. No one is doing anything of consequence to stop the insanity so the insanity will continue. Eventually you will have Nothing and you will be happy. Or else.
I would suggest all green-energy advocates study and practice the Wim Hof Method before telling the rest of us to suffer in the Cold.
Yeah, I’ve heard the same thing. I can’t believe a basic engineer could not see that coming. It’s like selling cars with black interiors in Phoenix Arizona, then wonder why the AC doesn’t work in the summer.
Fact: Mankind has been keeping itself warm with carbon based fuels since we’ve been writing things down - probably before.
I am confident the earth will survive long past our current stupidity.
Bkmk
Yup. Let them eat ice and freeze to death.
Here in Alabama we recently had 11℉ all day. But my garage is somewhat sealed (for a garage, I closed the gaps around the doors). Plus, I have a small space heater to come on to keep the garage at least 45℉ both for the EV and the solar batteries. And like most EV owners I have a home charger anyway (charging at a fast charger occurs only on road trips, and even then only if we take the EV instead of our ICE pickup). I don't know how practical those steps are up north, but for me the little bit of power consumed with the small space heater more than made up for it by keeping my solar batteries warm to keep their charge through the night (I mean, they didn't have cold temps draining them and making them lose power faster than I was draining them by running the electric home heater to keep the home warm). I don't have enough battery storage to last the entire night on nights like that (that'd be impractical as infrequently as we need that much power in the night here). So I wound up pulling from the grid some anyway. But the steps I did to keep the garage somewhat warm resulted in pulling less power from the grid. And that's just what little bit of harsh cold we get. For most of the year my overall throughput is much better.
So there's a place for solar and EV's in the free market, particularly in the south where they're more practical. But it never works when the government forces it. And it's even less practical with subsidies (all that did was artificially inflate my costs anyway).
Correct. There will be starving and/or frozen kids worldwide if we go this direction. The author provides the answer as to why we had rolling blackouts in the Tennessee Valley for the first time in memory: refusing to burn fossil fuels.
There are two possible explanations for such nonsense:
1. Evil people want others to suffer and possibly die.
2. There are a whole bunch of stupid people whose actions will hurt themselves and others.
Can’t argue with your choice, and in another life (or perhaps the future), I might do similar.
True that. The only reason I have an EV and solar is because the warmageddonist cult is using their political power to make fossil fuels hard to come by and too expensive to use as frequently as I'd like. Ironically, both solar and EV's are more practical in the south -- where we tend to be more conservative. Most people with EV's and solar are very liberal and think they're saving the world from cow farts or sumthin', even the ones here in Alabama. However, there's a small but growing number of us conservatives doing solar on our own and driving an EV as one of our two cars (since most of us conservatives are married and need 2 cars anyway) in an effort to make our families a bit more energy independent to free our retirement investments from decades of sky high energy inflation.
Denninger is a must-read.
Rolling blackouts in Tennessee for the first time in 90 years.
Thanks Green Nut Jobs!
https://news.yahoo.com/know-tva-ordered-rolling-blackouts-235509679.html
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