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Washington Is Prolonging Ukraine's Suffering -- Washington’s refusal to acknowledge Russia’s legitimate security interests in Ukraine and negotiate an end to this war is the path to protracted conflict and human suffering.
The American Conservative ^ | December 20, 2022 | Colonel Douglas MacGregor

Posted on 12/20/2022 1:59:12 AM PST by Cathi

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1 posted on 12/20/2022 1:59:12 AM PST by Cathi
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Washington doesn’t want peace.


2 posted on 12/20/2022 2:09:29 AM PST by Guenevere (“If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?”)
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Mcgregor is the clown who was boasting that the russians would start a massive 540k troop counter offensive no later than yesterday....yeah...


3 posted on 12/20/2022 2:21:04 AM PST by FreshPrince
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This spectacle is frighteningly reminiscent of events more than 50 years ago, when Washington’s proxy war in Vietnam was failing.

For those hoping for a peace deal, that ship has sailed. This war will be settled on the battlefield.

Like in Saigon and Kabul, we'll know the war is over when planes and helicopters land in Kiev to pick what's left of Ukraine.

4 posted on 12/20/2022 2:23:43 AM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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Perhaps Putin could die or something?!


5 posted on 12/20/2022 2:35:43 AM PST by Trumpet 1 (US Constitution is my guide.)
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Washington Is Prolonging Ukraine's Suffering -

Its not about Russian security, no one is invading nuclear Russia. Its whether Ukraine, and its 44 million people have the right to be a free nation or must they be enslaved by Putin


6 posted on 12/20/2022 2:37:14 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: Cathi

Macgregor is a nobody, and his 15 minutes of fame will be up when the war ends.


7 posted on 12/20/2022 2:37:24 AM PST by popdonnelly (All the enormous crimes in history have been committed by governments.)
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Like in Saigon and Kabul, we'll know the war is over when planes and helicopters land in Kiev to pick what's left of Ukraine.

Or like in Afghanistan when the last Soviet soldiers left in February 1989.


8 posted on 12/20/2022 2:41:35 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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Kremlin: “US & Russia On The Brink Of A Direct Clash” In Ukraine
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-us-russia-brink-direct-clash-ukraine

I’m sure there will be a fair amount of FReepers who will be cheering this on. When it turns into a nuclear WW3 I’m sure they’ll be partying like its 2029!


9 posted on 12/20/2022 2:45:38 AM PST by Tom Tetroxide
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The end of the American Empire is near. It’s time to return to a limited Constitutional republic.


10 posted on 12/20/2022 2:53:04 AM PST by JonPreston
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I believe that the war hawks will get what they want and we shall see US/Poles/UK troops facing off against Russian/Belarus/Iranians in the harsh heartland of Ukraine. We will discover that Russians are a bit harder to defeat than Saddam was in Iraq. We haven’t lost a big set battle in a while and it will be a hard pill to sallow. After a few such set backs will come the draft. I don’t think it will go nuke—but a lot of very nasty weapons are out there that might be used. You don’t like Biden Now, wait till you see him with War Powers? This time we shall see lots of terrorism on the home front I fear and all the repression that will come with it. How long will the war last? YEARS! In the end—only China will win.


11 posted on 12/20/2022 3:10:20 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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“I believe that the war hawks will get what they want and we shall see US/Poles/UK troops facing off against Russian/Belarus/Iranians in the harsh heartland of Ukraine. We will discover that Russians are a bit harder to defeat than Saddam was in Iraq. We haven’t lost a big set battle in a while and it will be a hard pill to sallow. After a few such set backs will come the draft.”
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I think the neocons are in for a big surprise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkiIdXZ1eoI

Alexander: The big news over the last couple of days is that we have had an extraordinarily important sequence of meetings. Now the first one was on Thursday when Putin met with the Security Counsel, which is Russia’s top policy making body. We don’t know what happened then. That is a regular meeting. On Friday he went to the joint staff headquarters of the Russian military that is engaged in fighting in Ukraine and he was briefed by Surovikin and all his staff. Shoigu, the Defense Minister was there; Gerasimov was there. The meeting went on for a whole day . That was a huge set of meetings and we have to assume that the military leaders were all briefing Putin as to what exactly was going on and what they were going to do...what their battle plans were and apparently he met with them individually afterwards. He met with all the key military commanders individually after the general meeting and then there was a summary meeting afterwards.

And now, after that meeting we learn that he has come to Minsk. He’s going to meet Lukashenko. Shoigu, the Defense Minister is with him. Lavrov arrived just before Putin came. So this is a big meeting, bringing together the entire Russian and military leadership...it’s key leaders; Putin, Shoigu and Lavrov with Lukashenko and his top staff. And then after that meeting when Putin comes back to Moscow there is said to be another big meeting in the works. This at the Military Collegium of the Defense Ministry. That brings together not just the military leaders who are involved in the war in Ukraine. It brings together all, the entire military establishment as well.

So it’s a whole series of important meetings that Putin is now having with all of the key people involved in the conflict, not just in the conflict with Ukraine; but in the conflict, if you like, with the West. The military people in Russia and now, also, the military and political leaders in Belarus. So everything now points to something very big indeed. Some kind of big offensive being on the way; being planned. Clearly all the pieces are now being put into place and all the plans are being perfected.

It is clear that Zaluzhny is terrified of a move towards Kiev. His biggest fear; he has got to protect Kiev. Zelensky said something absolutely astonishing today, by the way. He said, “No, we’re not going to evacuate people from Kiev.” Even though they’re there without heat or water...they’re going through the most terrible privation because if we take away the civilian population from Kiev that makes it easier for the Russians to occupy Kiev. So on the one hand he is admitting that he is using the civilian population of Kiev as a kind of shield which is a rather disturbing thought in itself, but it also shows that he is worried about Kiev, too.

Something big is on the way.


12 posted on 12/20/2022 3:26:12 AM PST by Cathi
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. He said, “No, we’re not going to evacuate people from Kiev.

LOL, because at this point, there is no reason to evacuate Kyiv.

Kyiv Mayor Says Heat Fully Restored to Ukrainian Capital After Russian Missile Barrage

13 posted on 12/20/2022 3:32:03 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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The Kyiv Independent

⚡️ Some parts of Kyiv Oblast may remain without electricity for 2-3 more days.

Several districts in Kyiv Oblast may take days to restore electricity following a Russian drone attack on December 19, according to Kyiv Oblast Governor Oleksii Kuleba.


14 posted on 12/20/2022 3:38:37 AM PST by Cathi
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To: FreshPrince

Using this logic we should invade Mexico.


15 posted on 12/20/2022 3:42:57 AM PST by pas
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💥💥💥In Kiev, the lack of electricity is more than 50% of the needs and a significant shortage is also observed in all central regions

A transformer in Kiev is on fire right now.


16 posted on 12/20/2022 3:46:00 AM PST by Cathi
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17 posted on 12/20/2022 3:46:15 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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Good summary.
Extraordinary times.


18 posted on 12/20/2022 3:46:44 AM PST by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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💥💥💥Fighter jets of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the DPR shot down two Ukrainian MiG-29 aircraft and a Mi-8 helicopter💥💥💥


19 posted on 12/20/2022 3:47:28 AM PST by Cathi
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Washington doesn’t want peace.

Washington wants to launder money. That's all this is.

20 posted on 12/20/2022 3:48:18 AM PST by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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