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To: Radix

1. You are confusing ECMO as a treatment versus ECMO as a modality for surgery. You do realize you have to stop the beer heart to fix a structural abnormality. So when this child had repair of his double outlet right ventricle you see seer he was put on cardiopulmonary bypass aka ECMO. The heart was stopped with a high potassium concentration via infusion through the corners Ostia of the aortic valve and retrograde by way of the venous sinus. You cite information on ecmo for treatment. Which ironically was something early in COVID the antivaxxers were screaming as a treatment. I agree ecmo for ards is the longest of shots.

2. Blood transfusions have also had risks beyond just 40 years ago. Major histocompatibility issues have always been the most feared but minor issues related to antibodies screens beyond rh factor can be equally as detrimental in the long run.

3. I imagine with the changing clinical scenario which in the postoperative phase would have developed the parents consented. Additionally when one consents to surgery one consents to all treatments that are required as a result of the procedure. Certainly one can opt out of transfusion and I am more than certain that the parents ultimately consented

All you have demonstrated here is that it must look good from the cheap seats. Your total lack of understanding that extracorporeal membranous oxygenation ( literally out of body oxygenation) is required for any heart surgery except for OPCAB which was certainly exciting but not out of vogue demonstrates the illiteracy of medicine that most people have but pronounce their absolute understanding of what is going on relative to vaccinations.

Your attempt to show you know what you are talking about has boomeranged. To be clear are you saying that ECMO is not required for cardiac surgery and that it is not safe. That is what you said in paragraph one. Are you sure you want to stick by that answer?

This is my answer to your questions. You do not know what you are talking about as is often the case when someone tries tries to contextualize an issue in which the have no understanding.


190 posted on 12/17/2022 8:47:17 PM PST by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will)
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To: gas_dr
So what you're saying is, the tainted blood kilt the baby?

Please be more concise in the future, old timey doctor. ThankQ.


191 posted on 12/17/2022 9:01:19 PM PST by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: gas_dr
You cite information on ecmo for treatment. Which ironically was something early in COVID the antivaxxers were screaming as a treatment. I agree ecmo for ards is the longest of shots.

I remember reading the doctors scratching their heads over why all KINDS of things weren't working, long before (anyone not in the conspiracy) knew about the jabs.

Moderna in particular had been crying that they couldn't get any tests approved for their RNA shots because they were "experimental gene therapy" -- not by "anti-vaxxers" as you like to slander, but by the FDA. Page 70 or so of their July 2020 FEC filing.

Nothing a little EUA couldn't fix. Ka-ching.

In the meantime, the doctors finally realized it was that COVID-1984 destroyed the ability of the blood to carry oxygen as well as it used to; it wasn't primarily a lung dysfunction after all.

But that leaves unanswered why you $hot $hill$ continued to pretend Ivermection was merely horse paste.

https://gab.com/RedPedePolitics/posts/109517366904520282

THEY KNEW: Dr. Chris Shoemaker shows how DARPA recommended IVERMECTIN for Coronavirus to the CDC following a 15 years study ending in 2015.

Yeah. 4 years BEFORE COVID-1984.

Troll.

192 posted on 12/17/2022 9:56:12 PM PST by grey_whiskers ( (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.))
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To: gas_dr; Radix; grey_whiskers; Tilted Irish Kilt; All

It would help if we could understand all you have written. For example what is: line 1) “beer heart”, line 2) “see seer”, line 3) “screaming” and “ards”.

Yes, blood transfusions have always been risky, especially when the blood is being bought by paying people in difficulty money to give up their blood. How healthy is that kind of blood? The parents did consent to the procedure, after the approval of their unvaxed donor was delayed until the infant was at severe risk of death with more delay.

Over 60 years ago I was in charge of maintaining and cleaning the heart/lung machine we used for open heart surgery on dogs at NIH. This was the basic research on Calcium, Magnesium, Potassium, and drugs and their effect on these dog’s hearts and heart rhythm. They were not restored to life after the surgery. I am not aware of any new nonECMO way of managing the blood circulation during open heart surgery. Any time the blood is removed from the body and contained in something else there is risk involved. Pristine sanitation at all stages in starting, maintaining, and stopping ECMO is mandatory. What is OPCAB?


198 posted on 12/17/2022 10:41:45 PM PST by gleeaikin (Question authority!)
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