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Looking For The Official Party Line On Energy Storage
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 8 Dec, 2022 | Francis Menton

Posted on 12/10/2022 5:53:48 AM PST by MtnClimber

If you’ve read my energy storage report, or just the summaries of parts of it that have appeared on this blog, you have probably thought: this stuff is kind of obvious. Surely the powers that be must have thought of at least some of these issues, and there must be some kind of official position on the responses out there somewhere.

So I thought to look around for the closest thing I could find to the Official Party Line on how the U.S. is supposedly going to get to Net Zero emissions from the electricity sector by some early date. The most authoritative thing I have found is a big Report out in August 2022 from something called the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, titled “Examining Supply-Side Options to Achieve 100% Clean Electricity by 2035.” An accompanying press release with a date of August 30 has the headline “NREL Study Identifies the Opportunities and Challenges of Achieving the U.S. Transformational Goal of 100% Clean Electricity by 2035.”

What is NREL? The Report identifies it as a private lab “operated by Alliance for Sustainable Energy, LLC, for the U.S. Department of Energy under Contract.” In other words, it’s an explicit advocacy group for “renewable” energy that gets infinite oodles of taxpayer money to put out advocacy pieces making it seem like the organization’s preferred schemes will work.

Make no mistake, this Report is a big piece of work. The Report identifies some 5 “lead authors,” 6 “contributing authors,” and 56 editors, contributors, commenters and others. Undoubtedly millions of your taxpayer dollars were spent producing the Report and the underlying models (which compares to the zero dollars and zero cents that the Manhattan Contrarian was paid for his energy storage report). The end product is an excellent illustration of why central planning does not work and can never work.

So now that our President has supposedly committed the country to this “100% clean electricity” thing by 2035, surely these geniuses are going to tell us exactly how that is going to be done and how much it will cost. Good luck finding that in here. From the press release:

The study . . . is an initial exploration of the transition to a 100% clean electricity power system by 2035—and helps to advance understanding of both the opportunities and challenges of achieving the ambitious goal. Overall, NREL finds multiple pathways to 100% clean electricity by 2035 that would produce significant benefits, but the exact technology mix and costs will be determined by research and development (R&D), manufacturing, and infrastructure investment decisions over the next decade.

It’s an “initial exploration.” With the country already supposedly committed to this multi-trillion dollar project on which all of our lives depend, they’re just starting to think about how to do it. “The exact technology mix and costs” — in other words, everything important — “will be determined by research and development” — in other words, remain to be invented. But don’t worry, that will all be done over the next ten years, with plenty of time then remaining to get everything deployed at scale in the three years from then to 2035.

You won’t be surprised that there is a lot of wind and solar generation in this future. How much?

To achieve those levels would require an additional 40–90 gigawatts of solar on the grid per year and 70–150 gigawatts of wind per year by the end of this decade under this modeled scenario. That's more than four times the current annual deployment levels for each technology.

So there will be an immediate ramp-up of solar and wind deployment to four times current annual levels. No problem! But what if somebody out there objects to having tens of thousands of square miles covered with these things?

If there are challenges with siting and land use to be able to deploy this new generation capacity and associated transmission, nuclear capacity helps make up the difference and more than doubles today's installed capacity by 2035.

Oh, we’re going to double installed nuclear capacity by 2035. Did anybody tell these people that it takes more than 13 years lead time to build a nuclear plant? At present there are exactly two nuclear plants under construction in the U.S., both at the same site in Georgia. One of them started construction in 2009, and is supposed to enter service next year. That’s 14 years from when the first shovel went in the ground, and there are no other plants anywhere near putting a shovel in the ground.

Well, let’s get to the heart of things, namely the problem of energy storage. From page xii of the Report:

The main uncertainty in reaching 100% clean electricity is the mix of technologies that achieves this target at least cost—particularly considering the need to meet peak demand periods or during periods of low wind and solar output. The analysis demonstrates the potentially important role of several technologies that have not yet been deployed at scale, including seasonal storage and several CCS-related technologies. The mix of these technologies varies significantly across the scenarios evaluated depending on technology cost and performance assumptions.

Aha! This all requires some “seasonal storage” technology that “has not yet been deployed at scale.” (There’s an understatement!). Do they even have an idea of how that might be done?

Seasonal storage is represented in the modeling by clean hydrogen-fueled combustion turbines but could also include a variety of technologies under various stages of development assuming they achieve similar costs and performance. There is significant uncertainty about seasonal storage fuel pathways, which could include synthetic natural gas and ammonia, and the use of alternative conversion technologies such as fuel cells. Other technology pathways are also discussed in the report. Regardless of technology, achieving seasonal storage on the scale envisioned in these results requires substantial development of infrastructure, including fuel storage, transportation and pipeline networks, and additional generation capacity needed to produce clean fuels.

In other words, they have no clue. They’re wildly tossing out ideas of things that have never been tried or demonstrated, let alone costed — and supposedly we’re going to have our whole energy system transitioned to this in 13 years. No surprise that the best idea they have is hydrogen — which, as I describe thoroughly in my report, is a terrible idea. And all that infrastructure they talk about for the hydrogen — none of that currently exists, or is under construction, or is even in a planning stage.

Back to the press release:

A growing body of research has demonstrated that cost-effective high-renewable power systems are possible, but costs increase as systems approach 100% carbon-free electricity, also known as the "last 10% challenge." The increase in costs is driven largely by the seasonal mismatch between variable renewable energy generation and consumption.

I’ve got news for them: they’re going to hit the wall long before getting to 90% from renewables. Just look at Germany or El Hierro Island to see how that happens. But assume they’re right, and the wall doesn’t come until renewable penetration hits 90%. They fully admit they have no answer at that point. Again from the press release:

Still, getting from a 90% clean grid to full decarbonization could be accelerated by developing large-scale, commercialized deployment solutions for clean hydrogen and other low-carbon fuels, advanced nuclear, price-responsive demand response, carbon capture and storage, direct air capture, and advanced grid controls. These areas are ripe for continued R&D.

Notice how this “demand response” thing gets suddenly slipped in there quietly, without any definition of what it means. Here’s what it means: if the system they create doesn’t work, they reserve the right to turn off your electricity any time they want. Or to jack up the price so high that you can’t afford to use your electricity.

The Report has a big section on cost/benefit analysis, where it is confidently concluded that the benefits far outweigh the costs under any of many scenarios. This is without the storage problem being solved or a solution demonstrated, or costs remotely known.

If you have the time and inclination, you can find the full Report at the link above. I would not really recommend wasting your valuable time on this, but readers who want to add further critiques have the opportunity to do so.

Your taxpayer dollars at work.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: greenenergy

1 posted on 12/10/2022 5:53:48 AM PST by MtnClimber
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To: MtnClimber

If the leftists in government are pushing this you know it will be prohibitively expensive and probably not feasible.


2 posted on 12/10/2022 5:54:00 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber

The Manhattan Contrarian has done very good work here.


3 posted on 12/10/2022 6:07:07 AM PST by marktwain
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To: MtnClimber

Its the global warming hockey stick scam all over again.


4 posted on 12/10/2022 6:23:20 AM PST by Don Corleone (leave the gun, take the canolis)
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To: MtnClimber

Bill Gates and Warren Buffett want to build nukes in the Northwest. Two of Americas most trustworthy figures.


5 posted on 12/10/2022 6:24:17 AM PST by dljordan
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To: MtnClimber

From an engineering and infrastructure standpoint, this will make the effort to make it to the moon in the 1960’s look like building a dog house.

Not to mention the political boondoggling and mutual backscratching for the ‘right’ contractors to get huge contracts, only to eventually fail. Thus pushing the 2035 goal down the road.

But somehow those contractors will be able to donate millions to ‘certain’ political factions and hire the Hunter Bidens of the future at huge consulting fees, prior to their financial doom.


6 posted on 12/10/2022 6:31:23 AM PST by John Milner (Marching for Peace is like breathing for food.)
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To: dljordan

Don’t shoot the messengers - Gates & Buffet

Nuclear is the way to go. Thorium Molten Salt,Small Modular,etc


7 posted on 12/10/2022 6:33:31 AM PST by BwanaNdege
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To: MtnClimber

Of course, the real goal is to collapse the economy of the United States and Europe.

But the “useful idiots” are now hanging their hats on “green hydrogen”. They would use (expensive) solar and wind to split the “H” from “H2O” (even more expensive). They could then store the Hydrogen for use as fuel.

And it would only cost 10 times or more as much as natural gas power and require acres and acres of solar panels and wind turbines.

But the useful idiots are insisting that it will be CHEAPER than natural gas by 2050.

And of course their predictions have always been right….right?


8 posted on 12/10/2022 7:09:13 AM PST by jdsteel (PA voters elected a stroke victim and a dead guy. Not a joke.)
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To: MtnClimber

Thirteen years?!?!

What a waste of time and money. We only have 8.13 years left.

EC


9 posted on 12/10/2022 7:16:31 AM PST by Ex-Con777
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To: MtnClimber

I stopped reading when I saw ‘energy storage’. Stating the obvious just for the record because I woke up on the wrong side:

We all know that they are intent on destroying us from within; so-called ‘green energy’ is just one front.

Energy is stored by natural Earth processes in the form of petroleum, methane and radiological minerals. Any other form of storage is derived from those (carbon & nuclear).

We ‘collect’ electrons from the sun and generate electricity derived from gravitational effects (e.g., hydro). Such energy is stored in a variety of ways, the current popular line is in lithium-based batteries (there are other methods, such as hydrogen).

When ‘energy storage’ is used by bureaucrats they reference batteries, which the last estimate tagged at over $40 TRILLION to completely replace carbon/nuclear with batteries in the US alone and that it would take 400 years to manufacture the needed batteries with existing manufacturing infrastructure.

Thus, the red flag of the term ‘energy storage’ highlights the ‘Official Party Line’. I hope the author arrived at that conclusion (I did not read his drivel about a report which surprises NONE of us here).

Key point: We need to start pushing back, not reporting ad nauseam upon their blatant and stated goals as though we’re going to guilt them out of it.


10 posted on 12/10/2022 7:33:22 AM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: MtnClimber
Did anybody tell these people that it takes more than 13 years lead time to build a nuclear plant?

That's true for the large utility nuclear reactors. Such large projects are problematic because of the siting problems, water consumption, transmission line requirements, among other problems. It also leads to single points of failure.

In Nevada, there is a growing plan to utilize geothermal power. Carbon clean, not requiring huge land mass, not requiring huge amounts of water. I'm served by a geothermal plant right now, and have been for decades. I grant that geothermal is not feasible everywhere, but where is can be used, it should be used. Ditto for water-powered plants.

I've been disappointed by the progress in small modular reactors and molten-salt reactors, particular reactors that can be manufactured in a factory and trucked to the point of use. The relatively small site requirements are a plus. Yes, they don't power hundreds of thousands of homes, but if you sprinkle them throughout a city or suburb you eliminate the need for transmission lines, and eliminate single-point failure opportunities.

Another piece of tunnel vision: when people think "storage" they think "batteries". There have been pilot projects that show that pumping water can store a lot of energy, and the pumps turn into generators when you reverse the flow. There have also been pilot projects showing that non-water "gravity" solutions can be a possibility. And that doesn't begin to exhaust the ideas that our up-and-coming engineers can come up with.

Central thinking concentrates on centralized solutions. It's time to let the dreamers think outside the central box.

11 posted on 12/10/2022 7:39:31 AM PST by asinclair (What doesn't kill you makes you stronger)
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To: MtnClimber

As we become more reliant on solar and fickle winds for power under government mandate, we will experience more large scale blackouts like those that occurred in Texas last year. Worse still will be winter events where shortages of heating oil and electricity will leave people literally freezing in their homes. Bad news for those EV owners when there will be no charge orders to keep the overstrained grid from collapsing.


12 posted on 12/10/2022 7:52:34 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: MtnClimber

WHO CARES? There are trillions to be fleeced from the tax payer and given to connected cronies and politicians. It can’t work and it doesn’t have to.


13 posted on 12/10/2022 9:12:46 AM PST by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: BwanaNdege

“Nuclear is the way to go. Thorium Molten Salt,Small Modular,etc”

I’m all for it. Should have been done already. I just think it’s strange that the Biden regime is shutting down pipelines and guess who starts hauling oil on his railroad and Bill Gates is busy trying to destroy this country.


14 posted on 12/10/2022 11:01:36 AM PST by dljordan
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To: MtnClimber

Post turtles? Don’t belong and don’t know how they got there or something like that.

Why doesn’t someone stop this folly seeing on the face of it, or should I say FARCE of it, that it can’t work and is a waste of time and money?

I was around during the early days of DOE when they funded things like atomic bombs to stimulate reservoirs to produce more gas, they got glass lined caverns and radioactive gas. Imagine that.

They spent millions and millions on coal bed methane research operating a plot project in Alabama that amounted to nothing. I was tasked with a team to locate one trillion cubic feet of CBM opportunity somewhere. We did but without the tax incentives it was never going to be economic not even with the wildest assumptions for price.

More millions were spent to revive the Fischer-Tropsch method for synthetic fuels. There was finally a pilot plant built somewhere I think but do you see any synthetic oil or gas around now?

Then, even more millions were spent on shale oil research and it was all the go by various means from retorts to microwaves to extract the kerogen (very immature oil only useful for gasoline really). I think I saw the remnants of one pilot project at the bureau of mines labs in Pittsburgh when we went there to get coal gas assay results.

I am reminded of Carl Sagan saying “Billions and Billions” but not of stars but wasted money instead. Money wasted on pipe dreams without benefit of scoping studies or even the slightest hint of a plan for execution.

This current piece of BS is built on fairy dust and unicorn farts.

A national initiative on Thorium is the real way to go but that is not even a wet dream at this point for these fools in spite of the Oak Ridge reactor being the gold standard for foundational research on Thorium Reactors. Carter dismantled it, we forgot about it, published the reports as open source information and the chicoms and dot indians have taken it to run with it.

We are the stupidest failing nation on the planet.


15 posted on 12/10/2022 5:57:01 PM PST by Sequoyah101
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