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Russians struggle to make sense of Ukraine war after Kherson retreat
Financial Times ^ | 11/19/2022 | Polina Ivanova in Moscow

Posted on 11/20/2022 11:11:15 AM PST by marcusmaximus

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The propaganda display left Katya, a middle-aged Moscow schoolteacher, who had brought along a group of 11-year-old pupils, with more questions than answers. She said she wondered what all the casualties were for.

“No one understands anything,” she said as she left the exhibition hall. “First we came up to Kyiv, and then we left — and how many people were killed? Then we took Kherson, and then we left it again. And how many people were killed?”

“Even military men,” she said, referring to veterans of earlier Russian wars in her family, “they know how war works. But even they don’t understand this strategy.”

For many in Moscow, the retreat from Kherson has sown confusion and raised questions about the war’s costs to Russia. Most of all, the news has added to the general, simmering anxiety people have felt since late September, when Putin announced a military draft and brought the war directly into Russian homes for the first time.

“Everyone is in an unstable state, nervous, anxious,” Katya said of her friends, colleagues and family. “Everyone is depressed.”

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if Russians are increasingly concerned about the war, they appear to feel little attachment to the newly occupied territories that Moscow annexed to great fanfare after holding sham referendums there. As a result, many have reacted with indifference to the loss of a place such as Kherson.

“Of course, it’s pretty amazing how easily the Russian authorities said goodbye to Kherson,” Tatiana Stanovaya, founder of political consultancy R. Politik, wrote in social media post. “And the people don’t seem to be clinging on to the new ‘territories’ either.”

She pointed to a recent Levada poll that asked Russians to name major events they remembered from the news. Just 9 per cent recalled the referendums and annexation

(Excerpt) Read more at ft.com ...


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KEYWORDS: accordingtoplan; khersonretreat; putin; russia
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Ukraine has taken back 50% of the territory that was originally taken by Russia. Putin lost all of the territory in blue because he is a Stronk Genius. Next up, Crimea.



1 posted on 11/20/2022 11:11:15 AM PST by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus

The Soros stooges are back!


2 posted on 11/20/2022 11:13:40 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

3 posted on 11/20/2022 11:15:03 AM PST by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus

Pointing and laughing at the neighbors when your house is the one burning down. Keep up the good work there Skeeter🤡🕺🏻🤡


4 posted on 11/20/2022 11:15:14 AM PST by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! )
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To: marcusmaximus

In before all of the comments related to “The Great Patriotic War.” These guys have a war woody that’s lasted 80 years.


5 posted on 11/20/2022 11:15:24 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: MotorCityBuck

No. We point and laugh at dead and cold Russian conscripts. They would love a fire these nights.


6 posted on 11/20/2022 11:16:19 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: Vermont Lt
"The Great Patriotic War"


7 posted on 11/20/2022 11:17:10 AM PST by marcusmaximus
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To: Vermont Lt

Think ya got it backwards Jack wagon. It’s the “Ukcicles”that need the heat.
🔥 🤡😂


8 posted on 11/20/2022 11:22:47 AM PST by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! )
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To: MotorCityBuck

Because the Russians had 300,000 extra sets of winter boots laying around.

Or is it like rifles? You just hope the dead body in front of you has boots that fit you—and you have the right ammo for their gun.

Because, when you are running away from the river…you need boots that fit.


9 posted on 11/20/2022 11:27:47 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: Vermont Lt

Hush Troll.
Lions just scored.
I’ll reply to you post after I get you an answer from my 3 year old.😂


10 posted on 11/20/2022 11:30:03 AM PST by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! )
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Oh my..you are a Lions fan?

I am so sorry for you.


11 posted on 11/20/2022 11:54:54 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: Vermont Lt

Appreciate that 😉


12 posted on 11/20/2022 12:15:43 PM PST by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! )
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What? You’re not going to hurl another insult that proves your lack of a coherent argument?

The Putlerists are going soft. Read that any way you want.


13 posted on 11/20/2022 1:47:26 PM PST by Apparatchik (If you find yourself in a confusing situation, simply laugh knowingly and walk away - Jim Ignatowski)
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Ahh. Another Troll pipes up.
Soft. Like your boyfriend.🤡
We Americans are watching Football. Your World Cup starts today. Enjoy.
For now. Alas. Good Night Sweet Prince.🕺🏻🐸😂


14 posted on 11/20/2022 1:52:50 PM PST by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! )
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To: MotorCityBuck

Thanks for proving my point by making yourself look like an a-hole.


15 posted on 11/20/2022 1:58:09 PM PST by Apparatchik (If you find yourself in a confusing situation, simply laugh knowingly and walk away - Jim Ignatowski)
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“Russians struggle to make sense of Ukraine war after Kherson retreat”

Dear Russians, please allow me to help you understand this:

Вы проигрываете войну

(You are losing the war)

You’re welcome!


16 posted on 11/20/2022 2:18:14 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: marcusmaximus

Propaganda alright. Ukraine is full of it.


17 posted on 11/20/2022 2:20:18 PM PST by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: Apparatchik

Are you OK? Do you need a hug.🤡


18 posted on 11/20/2022 2:20:52 PM PST by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! )
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To: Vermont Lt

My God. None of these kids are any different from your own. They are there because they loved what they thought was their country and volunteered to fight for it. And they are dying because they are not high enough on the ladder to realize the world is being taken over by a giant CIA/Stasi-like intel operation which uses guys like Soros as money-launderers.

If you are a cop, do you know about the US domestic surveillance, and how it makes a mockery of the 4th amendment?

If you know about it, do you realize 9/11 could not have slipped through its cracks, and it had to let 9/11 happen?


19 posted on 11/20/2022 5:55:00 PM PST by AnonymousConservative (DO NOT send me sensitive information - http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/surveillance)
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The Russians volunteered? I guess they were so excited to get in the army they drove to the Georgian border to sign up there.

The Ukranian kids are fighting because they don’t want to die.

Telling me that they are loved is just stupid. Of course parents love their kids.

Russian parents evidently are not willing to die for their kids, or they would put a stop to this.

Not sure what the rambling about 9/11 is. But, whatever.


20 posted on 11/20/2022 7:58:50 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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