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To: Beowulf9

And the particular states right that they fought for was the right to enslave people. We know this because they people who seceded told us this. And in their constitution they explicitly forbid states from banning slavery.


2 posted on 11/20/2022 5:44:15 AM PST by JSM_Liberty
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To: JSM_Liberty

From what I’ve read, most southerners did not own slaves. So perhaps it’s reasonable to say that many (most?) southerners really were primarily fighting for states rights.

But I don’t think you can say that when you go higher up in the political hierarchy. The folks at and near the top had a more complicated agenda. Same as it ever was. The grunts get fed a line, and end up fighting for something they might not really agree with.

A good example of that is the average German soldier in WW II. He signs up to protect the Fatherland. And then the next thing you know he’s doing the dirty work of an evil regime.


8 posted on 11/20/2022 6:14:15 AM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: JSM_Liberty

Incorrect.

Had they wanted to preserve slavery they simply could have stayed in the union where slavery was not threatened.

Alternatively, they could have agreed to the Corwin Amendment aka the North’s “slavery forever” constitutional amendment. They rejected it outright.

But hey, thanks for the standard regime propaganda.


15 posted on 11/20/2022 6:50:07 AM PST by FLT-bird
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To: JSM_Liberty

That’s right, don’t believe the words of an actual participant. Even Lincoln always maintained his goal was to “preserve the union” (ie the Central Government - a monstrosity which we all so dearly love). Slavery wouldn’t have lasted much longer anyhow with the Industrial Revolution, and 700,000 souls wouldn’t have been lost.


22 posted on 11/20/2022 9:36:08 AM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: JSM_Liberty

You, Sir, are a purist. One that gleens everything down to a desired essence. You boil out the good to ensure that at the completion of the concoction, only the worse remains.

I am sure you can find the worst in, say, the people detained under the US Captial for their participation in J6. Let’s see... they were there to overthrow the government and they came there with that one singular focus. Nothing else was important to the J6’ers because overthrowing the current “Sh*t-Show” representing the USG is an act of war on the Union.

Given 25 different reasons for a soldier to fight you think it has to do with something the politicians wrote, rather than the 25 reasons they say.

Most of those evil white southerners probably didn’t have the means to support themselves as well as were the slaves cared for.


23 posted on 11/20/2022 9:37:13 AM PST by Jumper ( )
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To: JSM_Liberty

Plain truth, that inevitably flushes out the neo-confederates that have been instilled with post-war redemptive propaganda.


24 posted on 11/20/2022 9:47:22 AM PST by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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To: JSM_Liberty
The unvarnished truth. Try telling that to the Confederates in the attic and the “Lost Causers’’ here.

Man do you want to see some (pseudo) intellectual and verbal gymnastics to avoid the plain truth.

74 posted on 11/25/2022 11:42:42 AM PST by jmacusa (Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots. )
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To: JSM_Liberty
The unvarnished truth. Try telling that to the Confederates in the attic and the “Lost Causers’’ here.

Man do you want to see some (pseudo) intellectual and verbal gymnastics to avoid the plain truth.

75 posted on 11/25/2022 11:44:11 AM PST by jmacusa (Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots. )
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