Inconvenient Facts (About Electric Vehicles)

Townhall ^ | 11/02/2022 | John Stossel

[butlerweave]

Electric Vehicles are a Dead-End ?

[drwoof]

Correct. It’s not a matter of “saving the earth!”, it’s a matter of ego, control, and a touch of sadism.

[VTenigma]

The mining does not.

[bruoz]

Or maybe an electric motor conversion with a bed load of lead acid batteries, recharged with a steam driven generator that’s heated with coal or firewood. Lol

[InterceptPoint]

The politicians run for office on IMAGE. The image people have is that electric cars have lower emissions. I really don’t see that changing. One could hope that the facts (as discussed in the article) would make a difference but it just isn’t happening.

And, the most basic question of all goes unasked and unanswered: Where is the clean energy coming from to build and operate our electric cars? The answer is:

a. Something will come up.
b. I have no idea.

[rickomatic]

I laugh talking to friends who are all excited about their electric car, assuming it doesn't pollute. They go silent when I ask, "Where does your car's electricity come from?
That depends on where you live. I I live in Central Washington State. Our electricity is hydro power, the cheapest and most renewable resource there is. I have preordered an Aptera It is a highly efficient solar augmented EV that fits my and my wife's lifestyle. It will be a 3rd vehicle in addition to our pickup and Subaru. EV's should be a choice, not a mandate.

[matthew fuller]

"Just a matter of time before a e-car battery fire in a parking garage below a high rise will result in extensive damage to the building & possibly multiple deaths. "

Guaranteed! I would not live or work in a building with a parking garage.

[Amendment10]

"I laugh talking to friends who are all excited about their electric car, assuming it doesn't pollute."

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EVs still need to be pioneered and "domesticated" imo.

In the meanwhile, they seem to be a form of "follow the unconstitutional, desperate Democratic federal spending," junk science escapism.

• Solving The Ozone Problem Caused By Electric Cars (non-FR; 4.18.2011)

• The Benefits And Risks Of Electric Cars (ozone risk; non-FR; 10.22.22)

An additinal negative, this one concerning EV battries not holding charge too well in cold weather, is that testing is showing that batteries also take longer to charge in cold weather.

EV CHARGING IN COLD TEMPERATURES COULD POSE CHALLENGES FOR DRIVERS (non-FR; 7.30.2018)

Also, if I understand this correctly, ozone is a secondary pollutant from fossil fuel-based electric power plants, ozone formed when primary polutants interact with sunlight.

"Ozone is one of the most difficult pollutants to control because it is not directly emitted. Instead, dangerous compounds and nitrous oxides released from vehicles, power plants, landfills and other biomass and fossil fuel burning facilities react with sunlight to form this secondary pollutant." How Ozone Pollution is Destroying Plants (non-FR; 5.21.2020)

Corrections, insights welcome.

[Rurudyne]

Well, producer gas is a tad more flexible. In WW2 people learned they could reduce road kill for fuel in those things if they were set up correctly.

[Rurudyne]

Also, a steam car is far more doable than many people think. Check out Leno’s Doble steam car and just imagine that steam generator in a mid engine format with modern car construction methods and brakes. Yes, it would not go supercar fast but it would be supercar quick with vast torque across the whole speed range.

[Yardstick]

That would be a great university engineering project — building a steam powered supercar.

Here’s a steam powered Ford Falcon built by some Australians back in the day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJq2Hc_mXFI

[fretzer]

This video explores the required materials to complete the transition from fossil fuels to the “green economy”. It’s basically an engineering feasibility study. It’s reasonably thorough.

The quantity of metal required to make just one generation of renewable tech units to replace fossil fuels, is much larger than first thought. Current mining production of these metals is not even close to meeting demand. Current reported mineral reserves are also not enough in size. Most concerning is copper as one of the flagged shortfalls. Exploration for more at required volumes will be difficult, with this seminar addressing these issues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBVmnKuBocc

[V K Lee]

“forced composting”

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Can truly understand why.
It certainly couldn’t be volunteer.

Shades of a Rory Caloun movie....”Motel Hell”.

[fireman15]

No, but they are pointing to it as a major culprit in WARMING the Planet, thus causing the ice caps to melt and the oceans to rise, eventually flooding our cities and making them uninhabitable (while many of them actually LIVE near the ocean).

I doubt that I need to point out to you that sea levels have not been rising at a rate any faster than they did during the previous 500 years. In other words there is plenty of time to plan for that IF sea levels continue to rise in the future. And of course, it was actually warmer in the continental United States than it was in the 1930s which can be confirmed by looking at historical temperature records, especially from weather recording sites that were not surrounded new by development during that time period. (The urban heat island effect is real.)

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/10/26/lets-talk-about-real-climate-cataclysms/

[fireman15]

Sorry Typo

And of course, it was actually warmer in the continental United States in the 1930s which can be confirmed by looking at historical temperature records,

[smokingfrog]

Joe must feel guilty about driving that gas guzzler corvette.

[hopespringseternal]

the first 60,000 miles or so you're driving an electric vehicle, that electric vehicle will have emitted more carbon dioxide than if you just drove a conventional vehicle."

And then you have to replace the batteries.

[smokingfrog]

Normal charging of an EV will waste about 10% of the electricity you’re trying to put into the battery. If it’s cold outside, it’s about 4x higher. Lithium batteries don’t like the cold.

[upchuck]

As I have posted here before:

EVs are powered by electricity mostly created by the burning of fossil fuels:

And pray to God it doesn't catch on fire. And if it does, pray the EV is not parked in your garage.

Imagine waking up at 3:30AM and discovering your house is on fire caused by your EV parked in your attached garage spontaneously combusting. Might cause some interesting challenges for the insurance company.

[Bubba_Leroy]

The goal is not to force most people to drive EVs. Even the far left knows that the power grid could never take it, especially as they shut down coal and gas power plants and try to power the grid with wind, sunshine, rainbows and unicorn farts.

The goal is to force most sheeple to live in high density apartments in democrat controlled cities and ride mass transit. Then the rich liberal elite can ride around in $100K EVs without having to wait in traffic.