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1 posted on 09/30/2022 9:17:03 AM PDT by RandFan
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To: RandFan

Unfortunately, the War Powers Act would allow a US President to respond militarily before Congress could act.


2 posted on 09/30/2022 9:19:57 AM PDT by ChuckHam
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Interesting as a treaty is only ratified by the senate not the full congress. But treaties do have to be honored. Interesting conundrum.

But it’s like Russia illegally taking land from Ukraine. Who is going to stop them? Same if we chose not to honor treaties. Who is going to make us?


3 posted on 09/30/2022 9:20:40 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: RandFan
He's wrong.

Article V does indeed legally obligate the U.S to go to war. There's no way around that because the Treaty and its obligations were lawfully ratified by the Senate.

What he should have said is that Congressional action would still be required for us to act on that obligation, which is probably correct.

4 posted on 09/30/2022 9:24:19 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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Massie is a very smart guy and sees what they’re trying to pull here. The Neocons are pretending Russia is responsible for blowing up the pipelines and hoping to use that as an excuse to enact Article 5 and drag NATO into this war.

“BRUSSELS (Reuters) - NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said on Thursday that a deliberate attack against allies’ infrastructure would be met with a determined response, following what it called acts of “sabotage” on the Nord Stream pipelines.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/attacks-against-nato-allies-critical-infrastructure-to-be-met-with-determined-response-nato-chief/ar-AA12nRK4


6 posted on 09/30/2022 9:26:24 AM PDT by jimwatx
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Well, he's right that to declare war Congress must declare war.

Doesn't mean much with respect to engaging US forces if you spend $1 trillion a year to give the President a huge military because Congress believes the threat warrants it.

Substantial US air and ground forces are in Poland: does anyone believe that they'll wait for Congress to declare war before engaging if the balloon goes up?

7 posted on 09/30/2022 9:26:49 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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Is Article V the one that says if a good, dues-paying member of NATO (such as Ukraine) were to be attacked by a meanie (like Russia) then all the other NATO members would be obligated to join in defense of their fellow NATO partner?

Because ... you know ... I see a problem ...


11 posted on 09/30/2022 9:33:06 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We are already in a revolutionary period, and the Rule of Law means nothing. )
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To: RandFan

Hasn’t every “war” since Vietnam completely bypassed congress?


13 posted on 09/30/2022 9:35:40 AM PDT by Intar
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Also even Article 5 only *authorizes* members to take whatever action they “deem necessary”. This could be a diplomatic protest... economic measures... supplying others... etc.

Not a word in Article 5 obligates a military response.


27 posted on 09/30/2022 10:09:55 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: RandFan

I suspect there is a timetable based on the November 8 election.


30 posted on 09/30/2022 10:30:24 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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Since when does Congress vote on going to war?

1941 is the answer. 81 years have passed since the US has “gone to war” legally.


40 posted on 10/03/2022 1:32:33 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (Seriously, what ever happened to Campaign finance limits?)
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