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Judge Rules: 2A Protects Our Right to Homemade Guns
AmmoLand ^ | September 27, 2022 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 09/29/2022 4:33:19 PM PDT by marktwain

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To: gundog
I was making electrically fired muzzleloading, multi-shot pistols, as a proof of principle.

It was decades before former P.M. Abe was assassinated...

21 posted on 09/29/2022 6:04:51 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Graybeard58

The most common home made guns are AR-15 lowers from 80% lowers and 80% Glock copies. The AFT decided unilaterally that an 80% lower was a “firearm” when a firearm is defined by the law and cannot be changed by a rule.


22 posted on 09/29/2022 6:04:52 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every leftist is a blood-thirsty fascist yearning to be free of current societal constraints.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The "Final Rule" is in the courts at the moment.

There have been decisions for and against.

23 posted on 09/29/2022 6:05:51 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

It was not uncommon to have NSN (no serial number) guns, usually .22 rifles right up to the 1968 GCA. In my opinion, most manufacturers used serial numbers to track guns through the manufacturing process where considerable hand fitting was done. S&W revolvers also used assembly numbers. Early A5 shotguns have every damn thing stamped with full or partial serial numbers (stocks, barrels, bolt, screw heads…) Atleast my 1914 does. Early serial numbers also provided records of where guns were shipped, given that they could go to any hardware store or direct to customer.


24 posted on 09/29/2022 6:10:55 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim ( )
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To: marktwain

Sounds like fun. Smokeless powder or black powder?


25 posted on 09/29/2022 6:11:30 PM PDT by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: marktwain

Which means it will probably end up in the SC where the FAT is likely to lose.


26 posted on 09/29/2022 6:21:59 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every leftist is a blood-thirsty fascist yearning to be free of current societal constraints.)
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To: Graybeard58

Not hard in the slightest. If you can field strip and reassemble a 1911, there’s not much more after that.

Hardest part is the machining, which with jigs and correct tooling, is almost idiot proof.


27 posted on 09/29/2022 6:53:19 PM PDT by SPDSHDW (Buy JHP ammo, Level 3/4 armor and rifles. Won’t be able to for much longer, and we’re gonna need em)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

“It was not uncommon to have NSN (no serial number) guns...right up to the 1968 GCA...Early A5 shotguns have every damn thing stamped with full or partial serial numbers (stocks, barrels, bolt, screw heads…) At least my 1914 does...”

The American military establishment did not bother to put serial numbers on government-arsenal-made issue long arms until after the American Civil War; the M1873 Trapdoor rifles were the first.

In contrast, makers of percussion revolvers affixed serial numbers to their arms well before 1861. Just why, I’ve never learned; perhaps it was a contract requirement, on arms sold to the government. Just what private companies did concerning internal control of materials and finished pieces probably varied greatly from firm to firm.

One assumes your Auto 5 was made by FN in Belgium. At the time, various European countries had laws requiring at least partial serial numbers to be stamped on every part possible. Rather a complex task; must have driven up labor costs considerably. Also, the stamping process probably ruined a fair percentage of small parts, where dimensional control and changes introduced by tempering are proportionately more critical.

Many low-end shotguns - single-shot and bolt-action models - were not required to have serial numbers, just as you have mentioned concerning many 22 rimfires, until GCA 68.

During the latter half of the 19th century, and through World War One in the 20th century, large numbers of small, low-powered, inexpensive revolvers were made and sold in the USA. Some of the larger manufacturers - Iver Johnson and Harrington & Richardson were two - put serial numbers on their products, but stamped the digits on parts of the frame covered by the grip panels. Remington did the same with its Model 95, the 41 Short Rimfire two-shot spur-trigger pocket pistol (sometimes mistermed “derringer”) it made from 1866 to 1935.

Just why anyone thought it important to hide serial numbers, I’ve never learned either.


28 posted on 09/29/2022 7:53:02 PM PDT by schurmann
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To: gundog
Headspace gauges allow you check if you’re within those safe tolerances.

Yup. I have a set of headspace gauges for each AR-15 caliber. I've found that it helps to purchase the barrel and bolt from the same source. I tried mixing Bear Creek Arsenal and Anderson parts and had a failure on the headspace check. I ordered a replacement bolt from the barrel supplier. Voila! A good fit. The other tweak is getting the buffer weight correct for the cartridge. Sometimes an adjustable gas block helps dial-in the cycling. My 6.5 Grendel build had barrel, BCG, adjustable gas block from the same supplier. A perfect fit, perfect cycling and accurate. Topped with a Burris scope with a factory table to match the scope setup to the Wolf 100gr ammo.

29 posted on 09/29/2022 8:09:49 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: marktwain

Well now that is going to put the ATF in a conundrum.


30 posted on 09/29/2022 8:22:22 PM PDT by Salvavida (“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.”)
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To: schurmann

Well, true. The Belgians were particularly crazy about proof marks too, so why not serial numbers?


31 posted on 09/29/2022 8:45:45 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim ( )
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To: Myrddin
"I tried mixing Bear Creek Arsenal and Anderson parts and had a failure on the headspace check."

That's the first time I've heard of that happening. Does Anderson make a BCG? I only use one gauge to check headspace for safety and wondered if the checks are even needed. If the rifle is accurate afterwards, I call it good.

32 posted on 09/29/2022 8:48:48 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: familyop
Anderson does make a BCG.

I suppose that tolerance stacking could account for an occasional combination of different manufacturers’ components not being compatible.

33 posted on 09/29/2022 9:22:53 PM PDT by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: Graybeard58
I’d be afraid to test fire any gun I made.

Beautiful. An honest man. We have a winner. Search no more!

34 posted on 09/29/2022 9:28:00 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: gundog
I suppose that tolerance stacking could account for an occasional combination of different manufacturers’ components not being compatible.

It was an Anderson BCG with a poor match to a Bear Creek barrel. The Bear Creek BCG worked fine. I like Anderson's lowers and hadn't considered a possible mismatch with a Bear Creek barrel. Easily resolved. When I want a more finished product, I use Aero Precision upper/lower/handguard components. I also put a Yankee Hill Machine dust cover on the upper with the barrel caliber/cartridge laser engraved to avoid mistakes e.g. putting a 300BLK in a .223.

35 posted on 09/29/2022 10:46:05 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: gundog
Sounds like fun. Smokeless powder or black powder?

Black powder, on the principle that black powder is easier to make at home.

36 posted on 09/30/2022 9:03:45 AM PDT by marktwain
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