Posted on 09/25/2022 8:19:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
What are the implications of purchasing an electric vehicle (E.V.)? Let's find out.
A new full-size E.V. capable of traveling about 300 miles with a single charge currently sells for about $60,000. Typical E.V. battery replacement after 3–5 years of normal use sells for $10,000–$15,000. This type lithium battery replacement is handled only by an authorized dealership. On the other hand, a new full-size gas vehicle (G.V.) sells for approximately $40,000. Typical battery replacement for the same normal use sells for $100–$150 and can be replaced and installed by the individual owner.
Let's consider the cost of ownership of driving a vehicle 100,000 miles. For the E.V., an 8-hour charge, which is good for a range of about 300 miles, is now about $8 per charge, or about $2,700. The E.V. cost includes a $60,000 initial cost plus the $2,700 charging cost and a $10,000 battery, totaling $72,700. For the G.V., the cost includes $40,000 initial cost plus $300 battery (2) replacements and 4,000 gallons of gasoline, averaging 25 miles per gallon at current gas price of $3.50 per gallon, or $14,000, and $2,000 maintenance, which totals $56,300.
It follows that the price for gasoline would have to be about $7.60 per gallon for ownership cost of the E.V. to be equivalent to that of a traditional G.V. These numbers are part of the hidden truths.
A typical E.V. battery weighs one thousand pounds and is about the size of a car trunk. It contains 25 pounds of lithium; 60 pounds of nickel; 44 pounds of manganese; 30 pounds of cobalt; 200 pounds of copper; and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. This type of battery contains over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells. The majority of these materials are derived from mining operations worldwide.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
There’s also no resale value to a battery operated car because the price of a battery stays the same...
RE: You can have all the “incentives” you like but if the supply is what it is the price will go up.
What’s to stop capital and investments from flowing into companies that SUPPLY the needed product, IF the demand is there and there are not enough suppliers ?
And if there’s enough profit in making it, would not competition from more than one supplier drive down the price?
I'm not an EV basher, in fact, I may purchase one myself as a second car for "around town" type trips. But that paragraph above sure does put the lie to the narrative that EV's are environmentally superior to ICE cars.
EV owners that get smug about "saving the environment" ought to be ashamed of themselves.
I guess that would depend on the product and availability of the parts or materials needed to make them. It isn’t a one size fits all thing.
I would never charge or park one in my garage.
Over and over the auto magazine and other tests show that real world range is about 70% of the EPA figures.
The faster charge rates cut into battery life.
There are several plug styles and voltages, not all are interchangeable so all chargers are not available to all vehicles.
Insurance rates have to be higher. I just can’t see how they are not.
I’m sure they are ready for someone just not for me.
You can buy used gas cars for far less then $40,000!!!
Many under $10,000 ! obama had his Cash for Clunkers which was designed to destroy the used car market. It certainly raised the prices!
Try buying a used electric car. No one will unless you have a new battery.
4 gallons of gas equals the energy of the entire battery pack of the electric F-150 which if towing a camper will have it’s range reduced to 83 miles!
Your compost pile contains decaying organic material, but it isn't likely to naturally produce petroleum in your lifetime. That is why the term "fossil fuel caught on. It takes a long time for the earth to produce oil, therefore it's natural that people considered it a scarce resource. Possibly, it's more plentiful than they believed, but they were right in being skeptical of the idea that the supply was limitless.
The earth can produce oil in about two months. Just plant some soybeans.
Faulty assumption, and my comment was based on the fact that the production of both diesel and EV are dramatically different. The production of an EV causes more pollution and environmental damage than the life of any petroleum-fueled vehicle.
I don’t buy that assumption - simple as that. I can likely prove your ICE vehicle is the cause of ALL pollution with the right statistics.
As far as I’m concerned - the “fact” doesn’t stand the smell test.
https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths#Myth5
Mind you the source is the government - so take all such with a grain of salt.
My God - you got it all right! ;-)
Example: I take about 30 minutes on road trips for a charge and a charge happens every 100+ miles because I own the smallest Tesla battery. (SR+).
I do have to replace tires more often (Torque from the Electric motor wears them out quicker. )
The battery life is more like 10-15 years and I have an 8 year warranty on the battery and motor.
The battery cost was approximately 2/3 the cost of the car.
Someone earlier said the batteries aren’t close together in the battery pack - ah -yeah they are! Couple thousand of them in a small area - how do you imaging that happens - spread out on acreage?
The pollution angle is a red herring.
https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths#Myth5
You numbers don’t hold up in CA.
$5.50 gallon average gas price.
45/cents kwh at Tesla chargers which has gone up 30% since that turn of the year.
You statement about the efficiency in the charging cycle is WAY off. more like 1% if even that high. Things electric are usually way more efficient that things mechanical.
So I just took a 200 mile trip last weekend. Hit the chargers 3 times because I have the smallest Tesla battery out there - 54Kwh. My charging sessions lasted 30 minutes each. Cost per charge was about $20 - so the trip cost me $60 bucks.
Gas vehicle gets 25mpg. 16 gallons at $5.50 a gallon $88.
The advantage wasn’t as pronounces as it was at 0.31/kwh.
As for infrastructure, etc. I produce my own electrons and can run my house off/grid if required and still charge my vehicle every day there is good sunlite - which admittedly isn’t all the time - and less so in winter.
The cost of those electrons has to be amortized over 10 years to reach payback.
Yes -but can you recover the entire energy in a gallon of gas - me thinks not - more like 50%. As for the towing capacity of ANY EV - they are HORRIBLE at it. That is a simple truth that I can’t argue against. All of the towing attempts I’ve seen on Youtube regardless of towing vehicle reduces the capacity to about 30% of the charge. That is remarkably consistent with Model X, Rivian, and F-150 examples I’ve seen. The most recent example was “Hoovie’s Garage” just last week with an F150 Lightning.
From Darker side of electric cars in spotlight
You think the Congo has decent labor laws? Kids are dying in order to get your battery resources. Mines all over the world are destroying the environment so you can drive 200 miles.Every electric vehicle (EV) will have a significant environmental impact in production – often greater than the impact of making a car with a combustion engine, experts say. In particular, EVs will require a huge rise in the raw materials needed to create the batteries and related hardware.
One recent study by scientists in Norway has found that in some circumstances electric cars can have a greater impact on global warming than conventional cars. Electric cars are only as green as the power that supplies them and, in many parts of the world, most electricity is still derived from fossil fuels.
Guillaume Majeau-Bettez, one of the authors of the report from the Norwegian University of Science and Technology, says he was shocked and disappointed by the study’s findings. "The electric car has great potential for improvement, but ultimately what will make it a success or failure from an environmental standpoint is how much we can clean up our electricity grid - both for the electricity you use when you drive your car, and for the electricity used for producing the car."
Mining companies are positioning themselves to meet the increased need for raw materials that include lithium from Australia and Chile, cobalt from the Democratic Republic of Congo and nickel from Australia, Canada, Indonesia, Russia and the Philippines.
Environmentalists are alarmed by the mines and smelters needed to supply the electric vehicle industry. The Philippines has closed or suspended 17 nickel mines this year because of environmental concerns.
In Columbia, residents who live near the Cerro Matoso nickel mine, which spun-off from BHP Billiton in 2015, have reported elevated rates of birth deformities and respiratory problems associated with exposure to pollution generated by nickel mining and smelting.
UBS estimates that the combined production of pure EVs and plug-in hybrid EVs will mean a 12-fold increase in battery power will be needed by 2025.
This will boost global cobalt demand for plug-in vehicles at an average rate of around 20 per cent per annum for the next five years. Lithium demand is also set to rise by 16 per cent per year over the course of the next decade, quadrupling by 2025 to 750,000 tonnes. As a result, prices of key commodities associated with making batteries have exploded.
While demand for the minerals is growing, concerns are accelerating over the environmental footprint of the vast processing plants that are required to turn rare earth elements into materials that are needed in electric vehicles. Many of these are in located China, where environmental standards are low and difficult to monitor.
Why Lithium Mining For EV Batteries Should Be Our ‘Absolute Last Resort’
Meanwhile the hypothetical diesel rolling coal is having virtually zero impact on our environment--especially long-term damage. The oil well providing fuel takes up 100-200 square feet, with plants and tress growing quite close by.Lithium mining is having a devastating impact on local and indigenous communities as well as ecosystems around the globe, and reducing dependence on automobiles must be a key part of our strategy to curb the damage, a new report says.
According to a new analysis from the Natural Resources Defense Council, the rapid expansion of the electric vehicle battery market is driving a boom in demand for lithium carbonate, a synthesized compound whose key component — lithium itself — is derived from just a tiny handful of natural deposits located throughout the world. By 2030, experts expect global lithium carbonate demand to increase sixfold — and when it does, and a whopping 79 percent of that massive market will be consumed by automakers alone.
That’s particularly alarming for the Puna de Atacama region, which has become known in the battery industry as the global “Lithium Triangle” — much to the chagrin of local and indigenous communities. Located at the junction of Argentina, Chile and Bolivia, it’s a fragile ecosystem that’s home to more than 58 percent of the world’s supply of the rare metal, and has become a hotbed for a destructive mining process known as brine evaporation, wherein operators drill under the area’s spectacular wetland salt flats to pump out a lithium-rich slurry, damaging the habitats of three out of the world’s six total species of flamingos as well as countless other living creatures which call the landscape home. The saline mixture then spends over a year sitting in a series of “evaporation pools,” essentially wasting all the water involved.
Battery makers brag that producing a battery for a Tesla Model 3 through salt-flat drilling uses the equivalent amount of the water to make a nine-ounce steak or “half a pair of jeans,” and add that the water within the brine isn’t suitable for drinking or agricultural uses anyway. But the NRDC report authors say that “willfully ignores” the cycle by which the brine aquifers help supply surrounding freshwater aquifers, a process which scientists don’t fully understand — beyond that fact that disruption of the cycle is already causing fresh water sources to vanish.
Indigenous people have lived and farmed the Puna de Atacama region since at least 10,000 B.C., but their millennia-old practices are being upended by the mining industry, stoking tensions that sometimes precipitate violent altercations with police and state officials.
“An entire [water] vein that supplied the town, which was fundamental to the livestock and agricultural lifestyle of residents, dried up completely,” said Ezequiel Carrizo, an Argentinian activist with Fiambalá Despierta (Fiambalá Awakened) and other groups. “Today there’s nothing there.”
So--it doesn't matter how far you are concerned. Truth is truth--and your EV is destroying the environment.
As opposed to the “Fossil Fools” in BOTH Houses and the White Hut.
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