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Powering EVs will require seminal changes in what we are accustomed to. Remote commercial charging stations will necessarily occupy our valuable time for much longer than gassing up a car. And, at least in the near term, there will be far fewer of them than we have now in our corner gas stations.

Very few homes today have home gas pumps. In the future many/most will have a charging station bringing about their own conveniences - but also their own hassles.

1 posted on 09/21/2022 11:21:13 AM PDT by citizen
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Our neighbor has one. It cost $6,500 to purchase and install the 220 volt type for her Tesla.

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2 posted on 09/21/2022 11:23:14 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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I just filled up my jeep in around 3 minutes
3 posted on 09/21/2022 11:24:03 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave)
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All good questions.
Right now, we’re in kind of an early adopter phase.
But physics is a harsh master.


4 posted on 09/21/2022 11:24:15 AM PDT by nascarnation (Let's go Brandon!)
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Owning a plug in electric car is like owning an ICE car with a gas tank that perpetually shrinks. Yet it takes the same amount of time to fill it up.


10 posted on 09/21/2022 11:27:58 AM PDT by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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You will have one car per family and share.


11 posted on 09/21/2022 11:28:52 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ( I'm Proud To Be An Okie From Muskogee)
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Now imagine the problem at an apartment building...


12 posted on 09/21/2022 11:28:54 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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If 25% of the auto fleet were electric and even if there were enough generating capacity to accommodate all the necessary recharging ( and there isn’t), the transmission distribution systems could not handle all the charging especially if it were done in the evening. The fireworks display would be the transistors on the top of those poles exploding as the system tries to accommodate the prolonged high voltage flow. Those transistors feature the very best of 1940s and 1950s technology.


16 posted on 09/21/2022 11:30:07 AM PDT by allendale
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Gas for me all the way!


17 posted on 09/21/2022 11:30:34 AM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!)
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You are thinking too hard.
Just ignore that stuff...


18 posted on 09/21/2022 11:31:56 AM PDT by mowowie
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I never even considered it.. BUT.

MOST households have 2 cars.. And assuming both work. Will essentially be needing to charge at the same time (e.g. getting home from work).

I have to assume that ONE charger is going to be A LOT of power and current. Two? at the same time. Would that require some serious wiring upgrades?


21 posted on 09/21/2022 11:32:30 AM PDT by uranium penguin
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You need to find out what type of distribution system your neighborhood has regarding upgrades.

I would think most are on a 12 or 13kV system. It’ll take a good amount of usage to suck that all up even if everyone has EVs in their garages.

If you’re trying to head off problems you need to consider that the grid will go down - permanently. Yes those are the plans and the only installations that will have power are military bases, hospitals, and “rich” communities that lick the hands that feed them.

There’s a dude I know who has gone off the grid 100% with his home with solar panels and his generator. He drives an EV. I’m betting he’ll survive a few weeks max in a SHTF situation.


22 posted on 09/21/2022 11:32:37 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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As you drive, note how many homes have three or four vehicles parked in their driveway And most have some sort of “toy” out of view....four wheelers, boats, motorcycles, etc.

Those highway vehicles may be greater in number than the number who drive, so they don’t operate every day. But batteries must be kept charged when not in use or the computers will drain them.

So the questions raised by the OP are not only legit, they are going to be a real deal breaker unless the government intends to restrict the number of vehicles per household.

The electrical requirements will otherwise require a total rebuild from the power plant to your front door...including the high voltage transmission lines and their towers.


25 posted on 09/21/2022 11:33:23 AM PDT by old curmudgeon (There is no situation so bad that the federal government can not make worse.)
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My solution is a ‘97 4.0 Jeep.


31 posted on 09/21/2022 11:35:06 AM PDT by sasquatch
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Most people don’t realize charging your EV and running your air conditioner(s), washing machine will extend your charge time significantly unless you upgrade your home electrical service. That’s in addition to whatever charging equipment you use. I suspect home electrical fires will become a constant problem.


32 posted on 09/21/2022 11:35:40 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (Let's go Brandon)
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Thankfully I only have a 30-40 mile a day traveling need. The best thing I ever did was buy a 10yr old plugin hybrid for under $10k, drive it all day as needed and plug it into a standard 15amp 120v plug overnite at a cost of about $1.50 a day. Compared to driving my pickup 35 miles a day using a couple gallons of gas for about $7.00 at todays prices. So far i’ve come out ahead, but that may change as murphy’s law is always in the wings.


35 posted on 09/21/2022 11:36:50 AM PDT by redcatcherb412
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That is a great observation.


36 posted on 09/21/2022 11:37:05 AM PDT by old-ager
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It depends.

1)How many miles do you expect to have to refill in how many hours?

2)How big is the electrical service to your home? How much of the electrical service capacity is already being used by existing loads?

3)How many miles per kWh does your EV get?

For example, if you only drive 30-40 miles a day, with an EV that gets 4 miles per kWh, a single 20 amp 240V circuit would recharge your vehicle in 4 hours or less. And you could run at least 3 of these circuits on a typical 200 amp service.

On the other hand, if you drive 200 miles and expect to fully recharge your vehicle in 4 hours, you would need at least 60 amp 240V charging circuit.

You probably couldn’t put more than one, maybe 2, of these 60-amp circuits on a typical 200 amp service.

(But how many people really drive 200 miles, get home, and need the vehicle fully charged in 4 hours?)


37 posted on 09/21/2022 11:37:35 AM PDT by brianl703
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you won’t have to worry about that, the suburbs will no longer exist. Everyone except the ruling class will be living in soviet style apartment blocks and will use public transport. They just haven’t said that bit out loud yet.


43 posted on 09/21/2022 11:39:42 AM PDT by Jeff Vader ( )
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Just make sure you put the charging station outside, so when your EV combusts, it doesn’t take the whole house with it.


44 posted on 09/21/2022 11:39:45 AM PDT by Boogieman
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avi9iBC8opU

This was eye opening... Its the House transportation committee talking about the same topic kind of. They were interviewing Butigig. Its like 5 min.


51 posted on 09/21/2022 11:42:46 AM PDT by Pocketdoor
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