Posted on 09/20/2022 3:40:31 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
How is this "angelic brilliance" concept reconciled with the mention of angels in the Old Testament as being mistakenly identified as humans...and even in the New Testament (Hebrews 13:2) where we might entertain angels unwittingly.
Let me try to be brief. (It’s impossible) I believe that fallen angels fathered the Nephilim of Genesis 6. I think the first generation Nephilim were the Titans. I believe that the Nephilim were the primary reason for the Flood, to kill them off. There are numerous ideas, as to why the fallen angels did this. Only a small number of fallen angels took part in this heinous act, but the ones who were involved, were tossed into Tartarus, described as a dark abode of woe. It’s a horrible place. They are not allowed to roam the earth, like other fallen angels.
I believe demons are the spirits of dead Nephilim. When the demons asked Jesus if he had come to torment them before the time, they thought he was going to toss them into the abyss, (Tartarus.) The demons recognized Jesus, but no matter what they think, say or do, they are destined for the lake of fire.
It’s hard to be brief. 🤪😀😆👍
If the so-called aliens are actually demons, how can we identify them as such? If we ask them about Jesus, won't they just lie?
A human is body, soul (behavior mechanism of mind will and emotion), and spirit. The body is luimited to the four D dimensional variables of the greater Universe. The spirit is not so limited and exists in greater dimensional variables realm as a 'spirit body', according to Paul's writing (if there is a physical body there is a spirit body').
An angel has a physical body in that greater variables realm, as evidenced by Bible passages such as Daniel chapter five. There is coming a day when those in Christ will be transformed int he twinkling of an eye, to have a physical body in the greater variables realm, a physical body fit to live in eternally. At some time in the future, after the tribulation and the thousand year kingdom, all the rest of the descendants from Adam will be resurrected into bodies that will exist 'unending' but those bodies will be sorted and too many sent to eternal damnation, physically alive but in torment.
When Jesus came out of the grave He ended the curse of deadness that followed Adam's rebellion to God. Thus all of Adam's descendants will have physical bodies that will not die, BUT the Rapture members of the Body of Christ are -after Jesus first- the first fruits of the resurrection. An ominous day will come when the rest of huamnkind will be osrted to go into eternity with the first fruits or into the fate of satan and his 'denying' minions.
How does that relate to the occupants of UFOs? Well, my guess is the 'little greys' and other manifestatiions are biological constructs limited physically to this 4D realm. But they have a behavior mechanism which may be 'engineered' by the fallen angels to have limits to their will and emotions and even their mental (mind) capacity ... they are biological drones, perhaps inhabited by demons, disembodied spirits given a drone to inhabit.
Thx much.
And did you ever hear about anyone experiencer coming into contact with a praying mantis type creature?
Sorry for all the questions. Just don't know any MUFON investigators.;-)
There is a growing demographic of folks who fended off abduction by calling upon Jesus. I am one of those but I will not share my experience in an open forum like Freerepublic. As a Christian, I have the privilege of calling upon my Savior at any time. His response is ALWAYS in His purview. I think you can google 'Alien abductions and calling upon Jesus' and learn more. It was a MUFON investigator who discovered the phenomenon of calling out to Jesus to stop an alien abduction
This happens even now. And you just know in your gut when it happens - after the fact - when it dawns on you that you just failed. (well, that "I" failed yet another test)
As regards the identity of the so-called aliens, I would have say that the evidence leans heavily in the direction of their being demons, unclean spirits (if there's a difference), or something very similar.
IIRC, David Jacobs and Budd Hopkins (and possibly John Mack) had some cases in which experiencers said there was a creature present in their abductions that was lurking in the background and this creature "appeared" to be a kind of mantis-like being. Several described a similar being sitting on a throne-like captain's chair and wearing a dark hooded garment.
As is often said, this may be a projection on the part of the experiencers or it may have been something projected onto the experiencers by their abductors.
If there are any experiences, personal or second-hand from professional work in MUFON, that you would not share on open forum but would consider sharing in freep mail or email, please let me know. I assure you I would respect your confidence.
Demons have no physical body so they seek a host, as illustrated with the scene where Jesus casts ‘legion’ out of the man and into swine.
I just found a download of Masquerade of Angels online and downloaded it for my Kindle.
For anyone interested, here's the LINK. It is available in MOBI file format (for Kindle) or pdf.
Once again, I will try to be brief, even though it’s not possible. 🤪 As far as demons lying, I couldn’t give you a definitive answer.
Let me say this. My wife and mother in law, were from Batangas. My MIL always used to say, you better watch out, or you will get pinched by a dwarf. I just assumed it was typical superstition. One day, the two were watching TFC. I wasn’t really paying attention, since I don’t speak their language anyway. At the end, in perfect English, they always answered questions people might have. Once, they said, what does it mean to be pinched by a dwarf? That brought me to instant attention. I don’t remember what they said, but they had video of it. I figured it out, in about 3 seconds. These were not dwarfs. They were little children, and were demon possessed. You could see it in their faces. It was grotesque, and ugly, with a capital U. I don’t know if all demon possessed people act like these children did, but some surely do.
It seems to me, that demonic activity, like this, is somewhat common in the remote mountainous areas. I have been there, and sometimes (not always) I felt like there was an oppressive presence, close by. I honestly felt like I was in the presence of evil.
I think I know what you mean by sensing an oppressive presence. Whether imagined or real, I have always had such a sense when in some places (in certain sections of New Orleans and San Fransisco, for example).
As to the demonic nature of so-called aliens, many people who claim to have been abducted speak of this.
Whitley Strieber described it well in "Communion" (he has since recanted).
Then there is the Trickster quality of the so-called aliens. Some people have said that nothing about them is as it seems.
I think it may be overly simplistic to assume the Trickster is a demonic quality exclusively. Jung's description of the Trickster archetype occasionally puts him on the "good" side of the ledger.
That said, the trickster "aliens" seem to lie an awful lot. Because of this, it is probably smart to be wary.
When I was talking about demons lying, I was focused like a laser, on one issue, and one issue only. That is if you ask them if Jesus has come in the flesh? I am not sure, but this may be the one area that they can not be deceiving. I just don’t know.
As far as fallen angels go, Satan obviously had to lie to the other angels, about them becoming like the most high. The angels had never heard a lie before. It was new to them. They had a choice to make. I figure God must have communicated to Lucifer, that he was was close to crossing the Rubicon, from which there would be no return. Obviously, they didn’t heed the warning. After the fall, did some of the fallen angels wish they could return to the good graces of God? I don’t know. Maybe yes, but it was too late. They were irrevocably committed forever, to follow the path they had chosen.
Now, you may ask, could one of the righteous angels, suddenly decide one day, that he has served God long enough, and now wants to serve Satan? Theoretically, I think it’s possible, but I think it is 1,000% improbable. They have seen the power of God, up close and personal.
Evidently, the fallen angels are pretty unnerved, by the thought of hell fire 🔥 but they should have thought about that before they fell. Did God tell them about the lake of fire? 🔥 Who knows? They haven’t been there yet, so they don’t know how bad it will be. But I think it is infinitely worse than anything they could imagine in a million eons. The fallen angels in Tartarus, know exactly how bad it is. When the creed says Jesus descended into Hell, I think it was to Tartarus. He didn’t preach a second chance. He announced to them, that now, their doom was assured. There would never be another chance for them. I suspect the condemnation of Jesus is still reverberating through Tartarus, as they remember the glory they shared with God, and threw it all away. Truly a mystery.
Just a thought here, but when we try to imagine what must have gone on between Satan and other angels and God, we step way, way out of our depth.
The Bible tells us how things are, but it cannot give us the details because our minds are incapable of comprehending them and we have no context for them.
I am reminded of a friend of mine who work in the accounting department of Ford's big truck manufacturing plant in Louisville, KY. His oldest daughter (about 10 or so) asked him what he did at the plant...did he help build the big trucks?
He told her the though he didn't help assemble the trucks, he handled some of the paperwork that was required.
She was confused. So he added that to build the big trucks, all the individual parts that would eventually be assembled together had to be bought and paid for. And then, at the plant, those parts had to be kept in big closets so they could be found when they were needed.
Then he told her that he wrote the checks to pay for the parts and put them in the mail. And kept records where all those parts were in the closets. And he also wrote checks to pay for people working in the plant.
She understood all this.
When her little brother asked her what Dad had told her, she said she knew everything now...exactly everything that went on in the plant.
I won't bore you with the rest, but you see the problem.
God can only give us a truthful and honest overview. Everything he tells us is true, but it isn't ever remotely enough for us to understand.
Bottom line: the backstory of the Bible is infinitely more than we can even imagine. Satan's real fall and that of his contingent of angels is vastly over our heads. Even who they are and what they are and the realms in which they exist...
God told us what he could--what we could understand and what would remain truthful for thousands of years.
But it isn't even remotely enough for us to think we get it.
Paul taught that there is a physical 4D body and there is a spirit body. At the Rapture event those in Christ -alive and dead members of the body of Christ believers- will first be given a new glorified physical body of higher dimensional reality, then be gathered up into the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and return to The Father's House. A demon can never have a glorified physical body, so when God remakes the Universe, these demons will be completely ejected yet exist forever in a place so opposite to God's love and Grace that it will be continuous torment.
The glorified body given at the time of the Rapture is superior to the spirit body. The demons want the physical but can only have physical senses if they invade an alive living organism.
A fallen Angel is not the same as a demon. The demons are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim. The Nephilim were not 'in the image of God' so they cannot ever have reality WITH GOD only away from God and God's Righteousness.
Sorry, meant to include you in the #78 ping
Exactly.
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