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Tens of millions now able to apply for certificate of Sephardi Jewish ancestry
Jerusalem Post ^ | SEPTEMBER 18, 2022 | ZVIKA KLEIN

Posted on 09/18/2022 3:27:35 PM PDT by jjotto

Recent research has demonstrated that as many as 200 million people in the Americas and Europe have Jewish ancestry who were forcibly converted.

…The process for certification begins with filling out a relatively short questionnaire about a person’s background, clues about their Jewish heritage, like customs, family trees or items with a Jewish connection, and their reasons for believing they have Sephardi ancestry. This information will then be assessed by a team of experts and researchers who will determine if the applicant has enough information to be awarded the certificate...

…While the certificate will have no legal status, it is something that a growing number of those with Jewish ancestry have suggested would be an enormous sense of pride and identity for them...

(Excerpt) Read more at jpost.com ...


TOPICS: History; Religion
KEYWORDS: jews; judaism; sefardim; spain
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200 million?
1 posted on 09/18/2022 3:27:35 PM PDT by jjotto
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To: jjotto

Descendants.

Spain is primarily responsible for this mess. They force converted you to Catholic or you either had to leave to the New World or be killed.

Most left to the New World.

You’ve got to love the Catholic church’s nutball rulers.


2 posted on 09/18/2022 3:31:49 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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By the way, Spain is allowing those descendants of the families they threatened to slaughter full citizenship, if you just pay some taxes for them.


3 posted on 09/18/2022 3:33:34 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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#2: "You've got to love the Catholic church's nutball rulers."

Yes, and the tradition continues right up until today, via Pope Frankie, the gay caballero, truly a Pope for All Seasons and all sexualities and all Gods and all idols and all Sodomites and all Muslims; whatever it is he's your wild and crazy guy!

4 posted on 09/18/2022 3:38:12 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: jjotto

200 million seems way too high.

As for me, if any of my German and Scotch-Irish ancestors were Jews, let them have been Ashkenazi Jews… I need all the brainpower I can get.🤗🤗


5 posted on 09/18/2022 3:41:34 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX!)
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To: papercliprippa

Jews are not responsible for those.

Liberals and Communists, are, but more than a few Jews and their descendants are also those, unfortunately.


7 posted on 09/18/2022 3:45:33 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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Most left to the New World.

And the rest fled to Poland, at the invitation of their King, only to be slaughtered 450 years later by Hitler.

8 posted on 09/18/2022 3:47:59 PM PDT by montag813
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And the rest fled to Poland, at the invitation of their King, only to be slaughtered 450 years later by Hitler.

"Today is history."

9 posted on 09/18/2022 3:51:01 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ConservativeMind

Large Jewish communities in both Venezuela and Colombia.


10 posted on 09/18/2022 3:55:00 PM PDT by rrrod (6)
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Over 70% of Jewish voters in the past two presidential elections (2012 and 2016) voted Democrat.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-voting-record-in-u-s-presidential-elections


11 posted on 09/18/2022 3:56:51 PM PDT by papercliprippa
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To: montag813

A lot of Spanish Jews fled to Holland and the Arab world and the Balkans (then under Turkish control). There were Jews from France and Germany who went to Poland. Some Sephardic Jews did too, but the Sephardim were Ladino (Spanish) speakers and the German and Polish Jews were Yiddish (German) speakers.


12 posted on 09/18/2022 3:57:18 PM PDT by x
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Recent academic and genetic research has demonstrated that as many as 200 million people, largely in Latin and North America and Europe, have “significant Jewish ancestry” dating back to the time of the Inquisition in Spain and Portugal.

There is a lot of misinformation out there about the Inquisition.

After the Spanish kicked the Muslims out of Spain after 600 years of occupation all non-Catholics were given the choice of converting or leaving Spain.

Many Jews and others converted in order to stay.

Later rumors circulated that Jews were secretly practicing their religion.

The Spainish king asked the Pope for an inquisition to find out the Jews secretly practicing their religion.

All Jews then in Spain would have become baptized Catholics and would have been educated in the Catholic faith and known the penalties for Apostasy.

Also the numbers commonly reported for the Jews executed by the Inquisition are greatly exaggerated. The records still exist and they are only a few hundred deaths.

13 posted on 09/18/2022 3:57:58 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spiritI)
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Lots of irreligious JINO Marxists atheists in those numbers. Most conservative and Orthodox Jews despise the libs. Reform Judaism isn’t Judaism, if a fat dyke can be a rabbi, it ain’t Judaism.


14 posted on 09/18/2022 3:59:15 PM PDT by Levy78 (Reject modernity, embrace tradition. )
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No true scotsman fallacy


15 posted on 09/18/2022 4:03:43 PM PDT by papercliprippa
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Lots of irreligious JINO Marxists atheists in those numbers. Most conservative and Orthodox Jews despise the libs. Reform Judaism isn’t Judaism, if a fat dyke can be a rabbi, it ain’t Judaism.


16 posted on 09/18/2022 4:10:31 PM PDT by Levy78 (Reject modernity, embrace tradition. )
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And many converted to Protestant churches.


17 posted on 09/18/2022 4:11:49 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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Well… could be, but too many Jews are not commie homos, starting with tons on this site, so doubtful the True Scotsman fallacy holds water here.


18 posted on 09/18/2022 4:11:49 PM PDT by Levy78 (Reject modernity, embrace tradition. )
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“They force converted you to Catholic or you either had to leave to the New World or be killed.”

That’s not really true. First, huge numbers of Jews in Spain converted in the 13-15th centuries. Some did so of their own free will because they were converted by disputations (essentially public debates). Some converted of their own free will to advance in society. Some were bullied into converting. A surprisingly large number converted officially but continued to practice Judaism secretly and in some cases deliberately used their status as Christians to subvert Christianity. This sort of thing is documented, if I recall correctly, in Henry A. F. Kamen’s book on the inquisition published in the late 90s. He is a Jewish scholar by the way. It’s certainly documented in Walsh’s old book on the inquisition from decades ago.

Many of the leaders of the Spanish Church were of Jewish background - including members of the Spanish Inquisition. Torquemada, who was the first head of the Spanish Inquisition, was apparently of Jewish descent.

People forget that almost all Jews in Spain had already converted to Catholic Christianity during Visigothic times. (There was so many conversions that many of the same problems experienced in the 13-15th centuries were already there in the 7th century as so clearly demonstrated at the Sixth Council of Toledo in the 630s.) Then, when the Muslims invaded in 711, there was a large influx of Jews into Spain again - who would convert in large numbers more than 500 years later.

And after Otranto the Spaniards were not taking any chances.


19 posted on 09/18/2022 4:12:54 PM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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Novelist and writer Arthur Koestler maintained that only Sephardi Jews were related to the Old Testament Jews, since most of the Jews in the Middle East were exterminated.

Ashkenazi Jews are only Jews by conversion, he claimed.


20 posted on 09/18/2022 4:13:16 PM PDT by odawg
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