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Long-Range HIMARS Missiles Not Needed in Ukraine Yet: Pentagon
Newsweek ^ | 25 Aug, 2022 | EWAN PALMER

Posted on 09/15/2022 7:49:07 AM PDT by MtnClimber

The U.S. will not be providing Ukraine with long-range missiles amid Russia's invasion, with the Pentagon believing the precision-guided missile systems already provided are "the most relevant munitions for the current fight."

Speaking to reporters Wednesday after President Joe Biden announced an additional $3 billion in military aid to Ukraine, Defense Under Secretary Colin Kahl said long-range Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) munitions, which are capable of hitting targets at a distance of more than 280 kilometers, are not currently needed.

Since June, the U.S. has provided 16 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS), which have played a vital part in Ukraine's ability to fight off the Russian invasion. Currently, Ukraine fires Guided Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (GMLRS) from HIMARS, which have successfully targeted key Russian military targets such as command posts and ammunition depots.

Ukraine has also called for further support by way of potentially hundreds more HIMARS systems, which can also be used to fire ATACMS munitions, that the U.S. has so far not agreed to.

Kahl said during Wednesday's press conference that the GMLRS provided by the U.S., which have a range of around 70 to 80 kilometers, are still the best form of attack for Ukraine, rather than the longer-ranged ATACMS.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsweek.com ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: ewanpalmer; greatreset; liberalsonfr; progthreadkaren; the12thhypocrite; wwiii
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To: ansel12

Explain why you believe that the United States/NATO are NOT in Ukraine.


101 posted on 09/15/2022 11:21:42 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil

I simply asked for your source for your claim that NATO is in Ukraine, it seems you just made it up in your head.

It would have saved a lot of time and effort if you had merely answered that it was your own personal suspicion but that you didn’t have proof or sources.


102 posted on 09/15/2022 11:28:31 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12; kiryandil

Could you two with your racist and trolling taglines take your idiotic spam to private email? Thanks


103 posted on 09/15/2022 11:30:29 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: kiryandil

So are the US and NATO in Chechnya, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan?

Maybe you should start by checking your closets and under your bed.

How about: RUSSIAN ‘FEDERATION’ JUST SUCKS.

Russian men no longer WANT TO DIE FOR A BRUTAL, CORRUPT KLEPTOCRACY THAT REPRESSES AND INVADES ITS NEIGHBORS UNDER THE GUISE OF A ‘FEDERATION’.


104 posted on 09/15/2022 11:33:39 AM PDT by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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To: ansel12
Heard it on The Duran and on Dreizen's channel.

It would have saved a lot of time and effort if you had merely answered that it was your own personal belief that the US/NATO is not in the Ukraine, but that you don’t have proof or sources for that belief - other than their "official positions and pronouncements".

Which are worth doodly-squat, as Granny Hawkins would say.

BTW - do you hear a fly buzzing in your ear, in German? WHO KNEW that flies could speak other languages?

105 posted on 09/15/2022 11:34:51 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Justa

Chuck Norris checks under his bed for Putin before he goes to sleep at night.


106 posted on 09/15/2022 11:35:48 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: MtnClimber

Confirmation that the Pentagon slowly pulling back.


107 posted on 09/15/2022 11:42:58 AM PDT by cranked
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To: kiryandil

You need a new hearing aid old man.


108 posted on 09/15/2022 11:48:57 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
I am saying that Putin said that Ukraine Joining NATO was a line in the sand.

The Biden Regime is reliably said to have leaked to China that Ukraine joining NATO was a done deal...knowing China would inform Putin.

Putin attacked Ukraine using this information as his "excuse". p> Now...Putin says that if the US supplies ATACMS long range mssiles that it will be a line in the sand to involve the USA in the war. And he is threatening nukes.

I don't poke rattlesnakes with a short stick because I don't want to get bitten. It is not because I like rattlesnakes or because I think I can change their nature.

109 posted on 09/15/2022 12:11:37 PM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber

The Tornado rocket launchers that Ukraine has captured from the russians have a range of 1000 km. I would not want to be in Rostov right now...


110 posted on 09/15/2022 12:15:06 PM PDT by jimmygrace
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To: ansel12
Of course, NATO commanders, including US ones, are on the ground running this war.

You think Zelensky and Ukraine are in control of what is going on? If so, you're painfully naïve.

111 posted on 09/15/2022 12:34:52 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: kiryandil

Post 89 was simple enough, it was never answered, but everything but a source was thrown at it in many long nasty attacks, bizarre posts, and lashings out, all troll behavior, normal freepers would have given the reputable sources to verify their claims or would have admitted they didn’t have a good source.


112 posted on 09/15/2022 12:43:48 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: MtnClimber
#2. Let's examine the logic used in the responses on this thread.

The US is not sending ATACMS to Ukraine.
Not giving ATCMS to Ukraine means it could escalate the conflict to World War III.
That means by giving Ukraine ATACMS would de-escalate the war in Ukraine and and prevent World War III.

Excuse me?

113 posted on 09/15/2022 12:50:03 PM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦 - Just say no to CCCP 2.0)
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To: ansel12
Your post #57 to me:
You are every bit as bad as the pro-Russia trolls.
You guys should start threads where you can go at each other all thread long and leave the information threads alone.
Your post #112:
Post 89 was simple enough, it was never answered, but everything but a source was thrown at it in many long nasty attacks, bizarre posts, and lashings out, all troll behavior, normal freepers would have given the reputable sources to verify their claims or would have admitted they didn’t have a good source.
Hypocrite much while you virtue signal ansel12?
114 posted on 09/15/2022 1:17:19 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: ansel12
Post 101 was simple enough, but you never answered it.

Normal freepers would have just admitted that it was only their personal belief that the US/NATO was not present in the Ukraine, much like a 12-year-old child believes in Santa Claus.

Instead, you kept asking the same naive question over and over, and finally ended up lashing out with this long nasty attack to defend your bizarre trust in governments and organizations that lie as easily as you and I breathe.

Just another form of trolling and hypocrisy, which was called out by your compatriot from Germany.

115 posted on 09/15/2022 1:42:29 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil

Asking for a source when you claim that military people are somewhere specific is not naive, it is merely asking for a reputable source for the information you are promoting online.


116 posted on 09/15/2022 1:58:43 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12
when you claim that military people are somewhere specific

The Ukraine is about 2.5 times bigger than the United Kingdom - it's not a closet in your gues bedroom.

Don't use the word "specific" to deceive the other readers.

I know that you're not deceiving yourself - you're being deliberately obtuse, pretending naivety.

How many ways can you deny that NATO and US personnel are in country over there while pretending that you're denying it?

There's a picture of you under the definition of "disingenuous" in the dictionary.

117 posted on 09/15/2022 3:21:09 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: ansel12

BTW - I especially enjoyed it when your fellow Zelenskyy compatriot called you a virtue-signaling “hypocrite”, to add to the rest of your “talent stack”...


118 posted on 09/15/2022 3:24:53 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil

Specific meaning Ukraine, although you claimed that they are in Lviv, which is very specific.


119 posted on 09/15/2022 3:29:56 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12
There you go again with the closet in your guest bedroom, oh Disingenuous Hypocrite.

My sources said Lvov is where the brass is headquartered, but you and I both know they're all over the place over there.

Despite your obtuseness.

120 posted on 09/15/2022 3:36:06 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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