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Gas-powered car bans won't work without infrastructure investments, expert says
Tech Explore ^ | SEPTEMBER 13, 2022 | by Daryl Lovell, Syracuse University

Posted on 09/13/2022 9:40:12 AM PDT by Red Badger

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To: NorthMountain

“. I stated facts.”

-—————YOU POSTED-————

“and boils off at a rate of approximately 1% of the container’s rated capacity per day.”

-——————————0.2%—————

https://changediscussion.com/hydrogen-storage-and-transport-problems/#:~:text=The%20way%20to%20deal%20with%20this%20is%20to,volume%20ratio%20leads%20to%201%25%20losses%20per%20day.


81 posted on 09/14/2022 9:57:57 AM PDT by TexasGator ( Gator in Florids)
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To: TexasGator

I get that you an electric vehicle fanboy.

However, the article is written by a prof in Syracuse, NY where they have killer cold winters.

Electric vehicles are going to be a disaster there.

But—some lessons will just have to be learned the hard way.


82 posted on 09/14/2022 10:07:05 AM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: TexasGator
ROFL!!!

From your link:

Hydrogen boil-offs in shipping. When you have a gas stored as a liquid by keeping it cold at reasonable temperatures, the cryogenic liquid turns into gas with any heat coming in. With ammonia and LNG, you can run compression and cooling equipment and return it, as they are liquids at much higher temperatures than hydrogen with its 24° Kelvin boiling point. The way to deal with this is to create the biggest, spherical, vacuum-insulated tanks possible, but even so, the boil-off rate is 0.2% per day. Shipping hydrogen tanks ones are likely to be worse because they can’t be as big. At the scale of trucks, the surface area to volume ratio leads to 1% losses per day.

I actually work with this kind of stuff, boy. Don't try to BS me. You're babbling about giant "storage" tanks ... I'm telling you what actually happens down at the user level. And your link even agrees with me. Funny ... Don't like it? That's your problem, not mine.

Worse, that 0.2%/day boil-off rate you're bragging about (even if it's real, which is dubious) is still infinitely greater than the boil-off loss rate of liquid hydrocarbon fuels. Your link again agrees with me.

I bet you didn't expect me to read your link, didja?

I'm done with you, loser. You may have the last word if you like.

83 posted on 09/14/2022 10:14:18 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: cgbg

“However, the article is written by a prof in Syracuse, NY “

-————Wrong—————

Daryl Lovell
Manager, Media Relations at Syracuse University


84 posted on 09/14/2022 10:17:26 AM PDT by TexasGator ( Gator in Florids)
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To: NorthMountain

“Worse, that 0.2%/day boil-off rate you’re bragging about (even if it’s real, which is dubious) is still infinitely greater than the boil-off loss rate of liquid hydrocarbon fuels. Your link again agrees with me.”

0.2%.


85 posted on 09/14/2022 10:19:32 AM PDT by TexasGator ( Gator in Florids)
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To: NorthMountain

“You’re babbling about giant “storage” tanks ... I’m telling you what actually happens down at the user level.”

No, your first explicitly referred to STORAGE.


“And to store enough of it to do useful things, it must be stored a high pressures.”



86 posted on 09/14/2022 10:22:44 AM PDT by TexasGator ( Gator in Florids)
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To: NorthMountain

“And your link even agrees with me. Funny ... Don’t like it? That’s your problem, not mine.”

So 0.2% per the link is OK by you?


87 posted on 09/14/2022 10:25:57 AM PDT by TexasGator ( Gator in Florids)
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To: NorthMountain

“Don’t try to BS me.”

No BS. Just facts. Facts you have not refuted.


88 posted on 09/14/2022 10:30:30 AM PDT by TexasGator ( Gator in Florids)
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To: cgbg

“Syracuse, NY where they have killer cold winters.”

-——————PREVIOUS OUTDOOR EVENT————NEXT OCT 1————

Discussing the Realities of Buying Electric Vehicles

FEBRUARY 2021


89 posted on 09/14/2022 10:35:28 AM PDT by TexasGator ( Gator in Florids)
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To: cgbg
ROCHESTER NY RTS


90 posted on 09/14/2022 10:41:46 AM PDT by TexasGator ( Gator in Florids)
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To: NorthMountain

I am still looking for comments about metal hydrides.


91 posted on 09/14/2022 10:53:30 AM PDT by TexasGator ( Gator in Florids)
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To: Red Badger

They are not close and will never get close to an electric grid to support any significant number of CA EV’s.


92 posted on 09/14/2022 10:55:38 AM PDT by anton
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To: anton

I can see California in 10 years.

Empty freeways, people riding bicycles, empty stores, restaurants closed, sewage running down the streets, and Democrats doing their damnedest to blame Republicans for the disaster........................


93 posted on 09/14/2022 11:00:07 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

Better pick up the pace of depopulation...


94 posted on 09/14/2022 11:01:29 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: TexasGator

You are pushing this fairy and elf technology very hard.

Good luck with it!


95 posted on 09/14/2022 2:08:12 PM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: cgbg

You left out unicorn snorts!


96 posted on 09/14/2022 2:08:54 PM PDT by Reily
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To: cgbg

“You are pushing this fairy and elf technology very hard.

Good luck with it!”

No. Just educating you on the facts. I had nothing to do with your RTS buying electric busses.


97 posted on 09/14/2022 2:13:23 PM PDT by TexasGator ( Gator in Florids)
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To: TexasGator

I live in another state—not NY.

I plan to entertain myself watching electric vehicles break down on the highway during winter here in the Northeast.

This is gonna be a gift that keeps on giving.

“We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.” Ayn Rand

For any young people looking for a new career—you want to drive a tow truck—with all the money you will be making you can form your own tow truck company.


98 posted on 09/14/2022 2:45:41 PM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: cgbg

“I plan to entertain myself watching electric vehicles break down on the highway during winter here in the Northeast.”

Really weird


99 posted on 09/14/2022 4:22:32 PM PDT by TexasGator ( Gator in Florids)
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To: cgbg

Tesla in winter storm:

https://insideevs.com/features/485854/video-tesla-model-s-driving-snowstorm/


100 posted on 09/14/2022 4:32:19 PM PDT by TexasGator ( Gator in Florids)
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