OHIO FATHER GUNS DOWN DAUGHTER'S EX ... Fatal Shooting On Video

TMZ ^ | 8/29/2022 | TMZ

[FamiliarFace]

The kid shouldn’t have been trying to break in. No telling what he was gonna do if he got inside.

This was justifiable.

[FamiliarFace]

Even more wow.

[OldWarBaby]

Folks above are making way too much about the second and third shots. Defensive coaching requires shooting until the threat is stopped. The first solid hit on a body causes recoil, spinning, falling, jumping, etc. There is no rule that says a trouble causing dumbass has to stand still so you can get a clear shot at him. If the shot that hit the back went straight in there might be a question. But if the probe shows the hit was at an angle it means the target was already spinning when the third trigger got pulled. And I didn’t see how large caliber the Dad’s gun was: A 45 or 357 might very well spin a dummy several times as well as lighten him up by removing body parts. In this case if he was still yelling about killing the daughter that needed to be addressed with a couple xtra rounds. Like the old sheriff said when asked why they shot the criminal 60 times: we ran out of ammo.

[dragonblustar]

Exactly right. The writer must be a gun hating lib. I bet this was the first title before the editor got involved.

“Gunned down Ex by a gun owner, who owns guns that gun down people. Guns!”

[zeugma]

Guns down implies cold blood. This was justifiable.

Yup. Pretty much sounds like it. Good shootin.

[familyop]

"'and his back'. That part bothers me. He was shot in the back. But I guess it didn't bother the Grand Jury."

There's reaction time to decide to pull the trigger plus the time to aim or point and to actually pull the trigger. Also, did the individual attempting to break in go back and forth before trying to break in? If so, that might indicate a possibility that he would turn and try to break in again. Might the would-be attacker be under the influence of a drug that could cause him to fail to perceive pain to himself (e.g., disassociation from an hallucinogen or stimulant)?

[RetiredTexasVet]

Probably got it when he was leaning into the door with his shoulder ... shot in the back from the side.

[BraveMan]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xrGST3l7NV0

Probably already posted, GMTA.

[familyop]

Agreed. The phrases, “went down” and “going down,” weren’t in much use in the past. It was like “groovy” in that sense. But sometime since 2000, the less technically inclined common consumer Internet subscribers picked it up from the song and from movies and made it more common. It’s an anti-defense thing...a lefty rebellion fantasy thing.

[Falconspeed]

Unethical use of a gun. The guy (1) waited at the door for a few minutes and then (2) tried to open the door. Both activities are fine. Both actions are not mortal sins.
If the door is locked, then no need to worry about an intruder. If the door is unlocked, then simply ask him to leave.
Dialogue is always the first step and shooting is always the last resort.

[familyop]

By the way, did they skip doing a toxicology exam and report on the body of James Rayl? The drug-free people in America want to know.

[hoosierham]

Evidently your doors are special. Because most homes’ doors are not strong enough to keep our a determined person. If the door is broken/splintered from the action of the person trying to force entry no one should have to be surprised when the home’s occupants use a tool to stop the intruder.

[ansel12]

I watched as everyone tried to get my toddler son to do all the jive handshakes in the mid-70s and I told them don’t do that, even in the Army before that I refused to do all that silly 2-minute hand bumping and gestures in place of a handshake.

From the late 60s when black street/jive culture started being promoted as the essence of cool and being real, the TV shows started working it in, cop shows started asking “what went down”, etc., all part of the breakdown of the culture.

[familyop]

Agreed. The phrases, “went down” and “going down,” weren’t in much use in the past. It was like “groovy” in that sense. But sometime since 2000, the less technically inclined common consumer Internet subscribers picked it up from the song and from movies and made it more common. It’s an anti-defense thing...a lefty rebellion fantasy thing.

Forgot to post a link to the “song.”

Buffalo Springfield - For What It’s Worth 1967
https://youtu.be/gp5JCrSXkJY

[sit-rep]

they stopped the vid feed but the sound remained and he was shot the first 2 times facing the gun and the third shot was probably his back...

[sit-rep]

technically the first time he laid his shoulder into the door he was fair game.

[Wilderness Conservative]

You know her new prom date will be on time and polite to the parents when he picks her up.

[familyop]

"Dialogue is always the first step and shooting is always the last resort."

1. You park in a parking lot and get out of the car with your teenage daughter. Two men get out of a white van. One pulls a weapon, and they run towards your daughter.

2. A neighbor addicted to meth tells other neighbors that he's going to kill you. The next day, you walk out towards your car, and the crazy neighbor pulls a weapon and points it at you.

3. You stop at a traffic light. A stranger jumps out of his vehicle, runs to your vehicle and smashes your window inches from your face.

What did "Tuco" (Eli Wallach) say about talking in "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966)?"

[Okay, a little humor there. But I'm sure that you catch my drift.]

[familyop]

"Probably got it when he was leaning into the door with his shoulder ... shot in the back from the side."

That's a strong possibility. At least one article said that the resident there fired through a window.

[Osage Orange]

Don’t matter to me...You try to kill me and my family...I am shooting till I have no more bullets...front, side, back...whatever.